[nagdu] nagdu Digest, Vol 45, Issue 2
Garry and Joy Relton
relton30857 at cox.net
Wed Dec 3 15:23:31 UTC 2008
I say amen to the comments concerning opinions. I have many opinions of
others including other parents and other dog guides. I believe they are best
left in my mind and not expressed. Having said that: These opinions are
similar to those expressed when I used to walk with my children in harnesses
and on leash when they were small. People said to me "how can you do that?"
I responded then, as I would now concerning my dog, "because I love them."
Obviously children and dogs are not the same but they both require guidance
and discipline to learn and enforce certain behavior and to ensure their
safety. Having had guests in my home whose dogs did jump up onto the table
to grab food or try to swipe it off of someone's plate, I would much prefer
their dogs were on tie down. My lab would, and has eaten many things she
shouldn't have. Fortunately, none of these have been fatile, but I would
want that to happen to any dog, or child. Just as you keep peanuts out of
the hands of toddlers, you need to prevent your dog from getting things they
shouldn't have, as well as teaching proper behavior. Look around at the
children and dogs you know who haven't learned manners, they aren't welcome
in many people's homes and are often engaged in risky behavior. Perhaps,
there's a correlation to adult behavior?
Best Wishes for a Blessed Holiday.
Joy Relton and Belle from Virginia.
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1. Re: opinions of other blind people (Jeffrey Schwartz)
2. Re: opinions of other blind people (Marsha)
3. Re: Traveling in New York (Jeffrey Schwartz)
4. Re: opinions of other blind people (Jeffrey Schwartz)
5. Re: opinions of other blind people (Jeffrey Schwartz)
6. flea and Tick season in Idaho (Lora and Myrtle)
7. Re: flea and Tick season in Idaho (sblanjones11)
8. Re: New member (Danie and Eden)
9. Re: opinions of other blind people (Danie and Eden)
10. help! Adrian ate grapes (Ioana Gandrabur)
11. Re: help! Adrian ate grapes (Michael Hingson)
12. Re: help! Adrian ate grapes (Jeffrey Schwartz)
13. Re: help! Adrian ate grapes (Julie J.)
14. Re: help! Adrian ate grapes (Danie and Eden)
15. Re: help! Adrian ate grapes (Angie Matney)
16. Re: help! Adrian ate grapes (Ioana Gandrabur)
17. Re: help! Adrian ate grapes (Jeffrey Schwartz)
18. Re: help! Adrian ate grapes (Michael Hingson)
19. Re: help! Adrian ate grapes (Julie J.)
20. Re: help! Adrian ate grapes (Pickrell, Rebecca M.)
21. Re: flea and Tick season in Idaho (Pickrell, Rebecca M.)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:56:49 -0500
From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
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Marcia,
I have heard you speaking of guilt and even fear. These folks were supposed
to be your friends. You put yourself out to entertain them. I would feel
hurt and angry. Were they all critical. It might help to sort them out in
terms of critical, ill informed and simply OK.
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Of Pickrell, Rebecca M.
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
If this is your idea of fun, I'd hate to see what your idea of pain is.
That being said, why are you afraid of these people reporting you to your
school? I would have said, and have said in similar situations "Bring it
on!".
As for your dog being on tie-down, you know her, you need to do what you
think is best.
And, people will always have oppinions, regardless if they have actual
experience in a given situation. It's just the way the world works.
And, oppinions are like butts, everybody's got one, and everybody thinks
theirs is the best.
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Of Marsha
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
Typically any other day her being tied down would only be at certain parts
of the day like if I were to go take the trash to the shoot, or if someone
came to the door and I need to take care of something, or while I am
sleeping. Her being tied down is never excessive. We are talking minutes at
a time for the first two situations, and as far as the sleeping thing, I
can't trust her not to get up and roam the apartment yet. But again like I
said never ever excessive.
Marsha
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Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:46 PM
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Marsha,
You know your dog best. You also know what behaviors you are and are not
willing to accept from her. So, if you find it useful to keep her on tie
down, I would say that is the right thing to do.
Personally, I try not to tie Caroline down excessively, just because she
doesn't need it. She behaves herself, and doesn't make too much of a
nuisance of herself. However, I have found, especially when another guide
dog enters my home, some time on leash or tie down works well.
Shannon and Caroline
Who can heal, but one who has healed herself?
Who can know, but one who has asked and sought?
Who can lead, but one who has traveled the way?
--ancient French proverb
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Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 1:54 PM
Subject: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
Wanted some thoughts and opinions on this matter, as it has come up quite a
bit lately. I opened my home to a group of people last weekend, all of which
do not have guides, but who are blind. Emma being the little turkey she is,
as she will get into people's drinks and food, into other things and just
general bug people, but she spent time with us in the same room but on tie
down so that she would rest and kinda stay out of the way. When here with
just me and her she has gained the privilages of just being around off tie
down. But I have several tie downs in my apartment in various places. Emma
is always fed and taken to park at the right times. I do not beat her, or
nor neglect her. But because these blind people know others who have guides,
and those other people have guides whom are free when people are around, and
there guides can do what they please. I was threaten to be reported to my
school. Doubtful that I will be reported, but it is always my saying, that
because they do not have guides then therefore they have no opinion because
until you have a dog, train with it, know its personality, know its do and
don'ts then they can not say any thing. I do not feel I am doint any thing
wrong. She is a wonderful puppy, works well and seems very happy. But why is
that people who are blind, who think they know others who have guides, can
tell another one what to do, how to treat there guide or what to do in
different situations. This really really bugs me to no end. I always take
the road of maybe educating them on what it is like to have a guide, but
there are just some of those blind people that think they know it all about
every thing when it comes to blindness. What do you all do in these
situations? I even almost asked the one person who was beating me up over my
guide and things I do wrong to leave my home, but in the end did not because
I did not want to ruin the fun. Never mind that, please share with me what
you would have done? Thanks in advance for the thoughts, Marsha and Emma
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:31:41 -0500
From: "Marsha" <queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
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Yes I did invite them into my home, but I will never again. I can understand
the lack of not knowing, but there is a fine line, of those that thing they
are all that with there opinions. Those people I will not have in my home
again. The others, I can accept because if if they do not understand or know
something, they will ask the right questions, in a proper way so that it
will not attack. And yes they threatened, but it is even doubtful that they
will even call, and if they do I am not afraid of that. The guilt is over my
last guide being retired, because I felt that I could have tried harder,
that I was not doing enough, and that I wanted it to work, and the fact of
the matter that the school made me feel as though it was my fault for having
to retire her. When people in my life how I "think" are my friends, make me
feel as thought they are pressuring, they have crossed over the line with
methere is not guilt or fear with those same people that were in my home, it
is more of pressure.
Marsha
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Of Jeffrey Schwartz
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
Marcia,
I have heard you speaking of guilt and even fear. These folks were supposed
to be your friends. You put yourself out to entertain them. I would feel
hurt and angry. Were they all critical. It might help to sort them out in
terms of critical, ill informed and simply OK.
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Pickrell, Rebecca M.
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:07 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
If this is your idea of fun, I'd hate to see what your idea of pain is.
That being said, why are you afraid of these people reporting you to your
school? I would have said, and have said in similar situations "Bring it
on!".
As for your dog being on tie-down, you know her, you need to do what you
think is best.
And, people will always have oppinions, regardless if they have actual
experience in a given situation. It's just the way the world works.
And, oppinions are like butts, everybody's got one, and everybody thinks
theirs is the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Marsha
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:51 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
Typically any other day her being tied down would only be at certain parts
of the day like if I were to go take the trash to the shoot, or if someone
came to the door and I need to take care of something, or while I am
sleeping. Her being tied down is never excessive. We are talking minutes at
a time for the first two situations, and as far as the sleeping thing, I
can't trust her not to get up and roam the apartment yet. But again like I
said never ever excessive.
Marsha
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Of solsticesinger
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
Marsha,
You know your dog best. You also know what behaviors you are and are not
willing to accept from her. So, if you find it useful to keep her on tie
down, I would say that is the right thing to do.
Personally, I try not to tie Caroline down excessively, just because she
doesn't need it. She behaves herself, and doesn't make too much of a
nuisance of herself. However, I have found, especially when another guide
dog enters my home, some time on leash or tie down works well.
Shannon and Caroline
Who can heal, but one who has healed herself?
Who can know, but one who has asked and sought?
Who can lead, but one who has traveled the way?
--ancient French proverb
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From: "Marsha" <queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
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Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 1:54 PM
Subject: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
Wanted some thoughts and opinions on this matter, as it has come up quite a
bit lately. I opened my home to a group of people last weekend, all of which
do not have guides, but who are blind. Emma being the little turkey she is,
as she will get into people's drinks and food, into other things and just
general bug people, but she spent time with us in the same room but on tie
down so that she would rest and kinda stay out of the way. When here with
just me and her she has gained the privilages of just being around off tie
down. But I have several tie downs in my apartment in various places. Emma
is always fed and taken to park at the right times. I do not beat her, or
nor neglect her. But because these blind people know others who have guides,
and those other people have guides whom are free when people are around, and
there guides can do what they please. I was threaten to be reported to my
school. Doubtful that I will be reported, but it is always my saying, that
because they do not have guides then therefore they have no opinion because
until you have a dog, train with it, know its personality, know its do and
don'ts then they can not say any thing. I do not feel I am doint any thing
wrong. She is a wonderful puppy, works well and seems very happy. But why is
that people who are blind, who think they know others who have guides, can
tell another one what to do, how to treat there guide or what to do in
different situations. This really really bugs me to no end. I always take
the road of maybe educating them on what it is like to have a guide, but
there are just some of those blind people that think they know it all about
every thing when it comes to blindness. What do you all do in these
situations? I even almost asked the one person who was beating me up over my
guide and things I do wrong to leave my home, but in the end did not because
I did not want to ruin the fun. Never mind that, please share with me what
you would have done? Thanks in advance for the thoughts, Marsha and Emma
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:51 -0500
From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Traveling in New York
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My vet of about 30 years became ill and retired. Now I'm going to a vet who
offers around the clock emergency treatment and has his own lab. This dog
had advanced cancer and wouldn't have been saved in any case, but I like
getting the results of lab tests on the spot. He's also close by and it
gives me a sense of security to know that I can always rely on them.
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Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 6:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Traveling in New York
Oh I am so sorry this happened to your friends dog.
I hope if he gets another dog, he won't use the same vet. thanks for
sharing.
--Dar
www.mypowermall.com/biz/home/5779
Every saint has a past
every sinner has a future
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Traveling in New York
> There is also a guide dog school in Westchester county, N.Y. You
> could practically walk there. The name eludes me, but I've heard only
> good things about them. It's something like Leader Dogs for the
> Blind. There are only
> about 15 accredited schools in the country. I don't understand why more
> folks don't use them. A young man I work with called me on Friday
> afternoon. He is recently separated from his wife and young son. His
> dog,
> about 5, has been unwell for several weeks. The local vet couldn't
> diagnose
> the problem. He sleeps on my patient's bed. Tues or Weds night he awoke
> to
> find his dog having difficulty breathing. He rushed him to an emergency
> hospital, open all night, and as you are anticipating the worst happened.
> He was sobbing on the phone, and I had tears in my eyes. I can't stop
> thinking about him. I've lost four, and it's like losing a good friend or
> loved one.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Ted Shelly
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:58 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Traveling in New York
>
> Laurie,
>
> Thanks. I am considering GDB and have my application in with them, as
> well
> as with Fidelco here in Connecticut. One reason I considered GDB is there
> facility outside Portland, where I used to live and still have family and
> friends. It will be a hard decision if they both accept me.
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Laurie Mehta
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 12:48 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Traveling in New York
>
> Hi Ted,
>
> When I lived in Manhattan (and later in Queens), I was a cane
> traveler. I loved NYC for its ease of getting around. Manhattan was
> great, but Queens had some challanging places to deal with, I admit.
>
> After having moved away from NYC, I have traveled back to the City
> many times with my guide dogs. You'll LOVE having a guide dog. As for
> overhangs and other obstacles or obstructions, I am only being honest
> when I tell you that each one of my GDB
> guides has handled it all with skill and style. /smile/ Yes, I admit to
> personal bias based on good experiences, but I think you'll find yourself
> well-served by GDB.
> (Of course, there are some other fine programs close to NYC, and I think
> that others have pointed that out already. /smile/)
>
> -Laurie
>
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:30:44 -0500
From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
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Marcia,
Your response sounds kind of pressured, if you know what I mean. It feels to
me like you are going through a very hard time and this incident was the
straw that broke the camel's back. Being let down by people we consider our
friends can make us feel very lonely. No one is all this or that. Maybe
the worst offenders need to be segmented off in your reaction to this event.
Perhaps when you are in a better frame of mind you might want to approach
them individually and tell them how what they did made you feel, in a non
accusatory way. If you can do this, their responses might surprise you.
Above all, stop beating yourself up.
Best wishes,
Jeff
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Of Marsha
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:32 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
Yes I did invite them into my home, but I will never again. I can understand
the lack of not knowing, but there is a fine line, of those that thing they
are all that with there opinions. Those people I will not have in my home
again. The others, I can accept because if if they do not understand or know
something, they will ask the right questions, in a proper way so that it
will not attack. And yes they threatened, but it is even doubtful that they
will even call, and if they do I am not afraid of that. The guilt is over my
last guide being retired, because I felt that I could have tried harder,
that I was not doing enough, and that I wanted it to work, and the fact of
the matter that the school made me feel as though it was my fault for having
to retire her. When people in my life how I "think" are my friends, make me
feel as thought they are pressuring, they have crossed over the line with
methere is not guilt or fear with those same people that were in my home, it
is more of pressure.
Marsha
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:57 PM
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Marcia,
I have heard you speaking of guilt and even fear. These folks were supposed
to be your friends. You put yourself out to entertain them. I would feel
hurt and angry. Were they all critical. It might help to sort them out in
terms of critical, ill informed and simply OK.
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Pickrell, Rebecca M.
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:07 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
If this is your idea of fun, I'd hate to see what your idea of pain is.
That being said, why are you afraid of these people reporting you to your
school? I would have said, and have said in similar situations "Bring it
on!".
As for your dog being on tie-down, you know her, you need to do what you
think is best.
And, people will always have oppinions, regardless if they have actual
experience in a given situation. It's just the way the world works.
And, oppinions are like butts, everybody's got one, and everybody thinks
theirs is the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Marsha
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:51 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
Typically any other day her being tied down would only be at certain parts
of the day like if I were to go take the trash to the shoot, or if someone
came to the door and I need to take care of something, or while I am
sleeping. Her being tied down is never excessive. We are talking minutes at
a time for the first two situations, and as far as the sleeping thing, I
can't trust her not to get up and roam the apartment yet. But again like I
said never ever excessive.
Marsha
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of solsticesinger
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:46 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
Marsha,
You know your dog best. You also know what behaviors you are and are not
willing to accept from her. So, if you find it useful to keep her on tie
down, I would say that is the right thing to do.
Personally, I try not to tie Caroline down excessively, just because she
doesn't need it. She behaves herself, and doesn't make too much of a
nuisance of herself. However, I have found, especially when another guide
dog enters my home, some time on leash or tie down works well.
Shannon and Caroline
Who can heal, but one who has healed herself?
Who can know, but one who has asked and sought?
Who can lead, but one who has traveled the way?
--ancient French proverb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marsha" <queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 1:54 PM
Subject: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
Wanted some thoughts and opinions on this matter, as it has come up quite a
bit lately. I opened my home to a group of people last weekend, all of which
do not have guides, but who are blind. Emma being the little turkey she is,
as she will get into people's drinks and food, into other things and just
general bug people, but she spent time with us in the same room but on tie
down so that she would rest and kinda stay out of the way. When here with
just me and her she has gained the privilages of just being around off tie
down. But I have several tie downs in my apartment in various places. Emma
is always fed and taken to park at the right times. I do not beat her, or
nor neglect her. But because these blind people know others who have guides,
and those other people have guides whom are free when people are around, and
there guides can do what they please. I was threaten to be reported to my
school. Doubtful that I will be reported, but it is always my saying, that
because they do not have guides then therefore they have no opinion because
until you have a dog, train with it, know its personality, know its do and
don'ts then they can not say any thing. I do not feel I am doint any thing
wrong. She is a wonderful puppy, works well and seems very happy. But why is
that people who are blind, who think they know others who have guides, can
tell another one what to do, how to treat there guide or what to do in
different situations. This really really bugs me to no end. I always take
the road of maybe educating them on what it is like to have a guide, but
there are just some of those blind people that think they know it all about
every thing when it comes to blindness. What do you all do in these
situations? I even almost asked the one person who was beating me up over my
guide and things I do wrong to leave my home, but in the end did not because
I did not want to ruin the fun. Never mind that, please share with me what
you would have done? Thanks in advance for the thoughts, Marsha and Emma
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:44:08 -0500
From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
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This is just one person's opinion, but I'm not sure that this group is doing
Marcia any good by keeping her stirred up for all this time. Our intentions
are the best, but put yourself in her place. She has received scores of
messages, many of them angry toward her friends. In the effort to be
supportive, we may be keeping her in a constant state of distress.
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jeffrey Schwartz
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:57 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
Marcia,
I have heard you speaking of guilt and even fear. These folks were supposed
to be your friends. You put yourself out to entertain them. I would feel
hurt and angry. Were they all critical. It might help to sort them out in
terms of critical, ill informed and simply OK.
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Pickrell, Rebecca M.
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:07 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
If this is your idea of fun, I'd hate to see what your idea of pain is.
That being said, why are you afraid of these people reporting you to your
school? I would have said, and have said in similar situations "Bring it
on!".
As for your dog being on tie-down, you know her, you need to do what you
think is best.
And, people will always have oppinions, regardless if they have actual
experience in a given situation. It's just the way the world works.
And, oppinions are like butts, everybody's got one, and everybody thinks
theirs is the best.
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Marsha
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:51 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
Typically any other day her being tied down would only be at certain parts
of the day like if I were to go take the trash to the shoot, or if someone
came to the door and I need to take care of something, or while I am
sleeping. Her being tied down is never excessive. We are talking minutes at
a time for the first two situations, and as far as the sleeping thing, I
can't trust her not to get up and roam the apartment yet. But again like I
said never ever excessive.
Marsha
-----Original Message-----
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Of solsticesinger
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:46 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
Marsha,
You know your dog best. You also know what behaviors you are and are not
willing to accept from her. So, if you find it useful to keep her on tie
down, I would say that is the right thing to do.
Personally, I try not to tie Caroline down excessively, just because she
doesn't need it. She behaves herself, and doesn't make too much of a
nuisance of herself. However, I have found, especially when another guide
dog enters my home, some time on leash or tie down works well.
Shannon and Caroline
Who can heal, but one who has healed herself?
Who can know, but one who has asked and sought?
Who can lead, but one who has traveled the way?
--ancient French proverb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marsha" <queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 1:54 PM
Subject: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
Wanted some thoughts and opinions on this matter, as it has come up quite a
bit lately. I opened my home to a group of people last weekend, all of which
do not have guides, but who are blind. Emma being the little turkey she is,
as she will get into people's drinks and food, into other things and just
general bug people, but she spent time with us in the same room but on tie
down so that she would rest and kinda stay out of the way. When here with
just me and her she has gained the privilages of just being around off tie
down. But I have several tie downs in my apartment in various places. Emma
is always fed and taken to park at the right times. I do not beat her, or
nor neglect her. But because these blind people know others who have guides,
and those other people have guides whom are free when people are around, and
there guides can do what they please. I was threaten to be reported to my
school. Doubtful that I will be reported, but it is always my saying, that
because they do not have guides then therefore they have no opinion because
until you have a dog, train with it, know its personality, know its do and
don'ts then they can not say any thing. I do not feel I am doint any thing
wrong. She is a wonderful puppy, works well and seems very happy. But why is
that people who are blind, who think they know others who have guides, can
tell another one what to do, how to treat there guide or what to do in
different situations. This really really bugs me to no end. I always take
the road of maybe educating them on what it is like to have a guide, but
there are just some of those blind people that think they know it all about
every thing when it comes to blindness. What do you all do in these
situations? I even almost asked the one person who was beating me up over my
guide and things I do wrong to leave my home, but in the end did not because
I did not want to ruin the fun. Never mind that, please share with me what
you would have done? Thanks in advance for the thoughts, Marsha and Emma
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:23:18 -0700
From: "Lora and Myrtle" <blindhistory at gmail.com>
Subject: [nagdu] flea and Tick season in Idaho
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Does Anyone know how long a person is supposed to give frontline plus (or
some other flea and tick preventative) in Idaho? Heart guard is given year
round but I couldn't remembet how long flea and tick season is in Idaho. Any
help is appreciated.
--
Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:38:43 -0500
From: "sblanjones11" <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] flea and Tick season in Idaho
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I usually give flee & tick preventative until the temperature is
consistently below freezing. Ask your vet. He or she will know. HTh. Susan
& Rhoda
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Subject: [nagdu] flea and Tick season in Idaho
Does Anyone know how long a person is supposed to give frontline plus (or
some other flea and tick preventative) in Idaho? Heart guard is given year
round but I couldn't remembet how long flea and tick season is in Idaho. Any
help is appreciated.
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:55:32 -0600
From: "Danie and Eden" <pumpkin4byron at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] New member
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Hi welcome. I am Danielle from Louisiana and I have my second doggie, a
golden retriever named Eden from Seeing eye. Glad you joined the list and
know that you'll find much support here.
God's Blessings,
Danie
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Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 11:40 AM
Subject: [nagdu] New member
> Hello everyone-
> My name is Tina and I am the secretary of the California Association
> of Guide Dog Users (CAGDU) I am currently in the process of having to
> retire my current guide dog Nina which has been a very hard decision
> but I know that it is the right thing to do for both of us. However it
> is still an emotional
> rollercoaster.
> Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
> Tina, retired guide dog Nina and ? ,
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 04:13:59 -0600
From: "Danie and Eden" <pumpkin4byron at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
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I would've explained what could happen if she got into something she
shouldn't have and asked if perhaps they would consider paying vet and
cleanup bills. That puts things into perspective, eh?
God's Blessings,
Danie
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From: "Marsha" <queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
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Subject: [nagdu] opinions of other blind people
> Wanted some thoughts and opinions on this matter, as it has come up
> quite
> a
> bit lately. I opened my home to a group of people last weekend, all of
> which
> do not have guides, but who are blind. Emma being the little turkey she
> is,
> as she will get into people's drinks and food, into other things and just
> general bug people, but she spent time with us in the same room but on
> tie
> down so that she would rest and kinda stay out of the way. When here with
> just me and her she has gained the privilages of just being around off tie
> down. But I have several tie downs in my apartment in various places. Emma
> is always fed and taken to park at the right times. I do not beat her, or
> nor neglect her. But because these blind people know others who have
> guides,
> and those other people have guides whom are free when people are around,
> and
> there guides can do what they please. I was threaten to be reported to my
> school. Doubtful that I will be reported, but it is always my saying, that
> because they do not have guides then therefore they have no opinion
> because
> until you have a dog, train with it, know its personality, know its do and
> don'ts then they can not say any thing. I do not feel I am doint any thing
> wrong. She is a wonderful puppy, works well and seems very happy. But why
> is
> that people who are blind, who think they know others who have guides, can
> tell another one what to do, how to treat there guide or what to do in
> different situations. This really really bugs me to no end. I always take
> the road of maybe educating them on what it is like to have a guide, but
> there are just some of those blind people that think they know it all
> about
> every thing when it comes to blindness. What do you all do in these
> situations? I even almost asked the one person who was beating me up over
> my
> guide and things I do wrong to leave my home, but in the end did not
> because
> I did not want to ruin the fun. Never mind that, please share with me what
> you would have done?
> Thanks in advance for the thoughts,
> Marsha and Emma
>
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 22:23:24 -0500
From: "Ioana Gandrabur" <igandrabur at gmx.de>
Subject: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
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Hi everyone,
Adrian just managed to get some 15 grapes from a boal that was negligently
left henging around by my mother. He ways about 79 pounds. Does anone know
if it is dangerous and what I should do?
I'll try the vet too of course but thought I'd write to the list anyway.
Thanks a lot!
Ioana
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:27:58 -0800
From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
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15 grapes SHOULDN'T be a problem. Like anything else the issue is eating
grapes to an excess. They are NOT poisoness in small amounts. Fifteen are
not considered a large number.
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Subject: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
Hi everyone,
Adrian just managed to get some 15 grapes from a boal that was negligently
left henging around by my mother. He ways about 79 pounds. Does anone know
if it is dangerous and what I should do?
I'll try the vet too of course but thought I'd write to the list anyway.
Thanks a lot!
Ioana
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:07:58 -0500
From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
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Is there something bad about grapes? I had a 20 pound poodle mix who loved
grapes as did I. He would watch TV with me and when I was eating grapes, I
always gave him quite a few. He never demonstrated any ill effects.
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:28 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
15 grapes SHOULDN'T be a problem. Like anything else the issue is eating
grapes to an excess. They are NOT poisoness in small amounts. Fifteen are
not considered a large number.
Michael Hingson,
NSA
President,
The Michael Hingson Group
84 Bahama Reef
Novato, CA 94949
Phone Direct number (415) 827-4084
Fax number (415) 883-6220
Mobile/Pager (888) 965-9191
Email
info at michaelhingson.com
<
mailto:
info at michaelhingson.com>
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consulting services on Diversity and Access Technology for blind persons
please visit < http://www.michaelhingson.com> For information on Guide Dogs
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-----Original Message-----
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Of Ioana Gandrabur
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:23 PM
To: NFBnet NAGDU Mailing List
Subject: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
Hi everyone,
Adrian just managed to get some 15 grapes from a boal that was negligently
left henging around by my mother. He ways about 79 pounds. Does anone know
if it is dangerous and what I should do?
I'll try the vet too of course but thought I'd write to the list anyway.
Thanks a lot!
Ioana
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:31:26 -0600
From: "Julie J." <jlcrane at alltel.net>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
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Yes, grapes and raisins are poisonous to dogs. It isn't exactly understood
if it is the grapes, the seeds or a particular type of grape. Some dogs
seem to be able to tolerate more than other dogs. Some dogs don't seem to
be affected at all. I have read accounts of small dogs becoming ill with
only 20 grapes. Larger dogs can tolerate larger amounts. It is also
thought that
the effect increases cumulatively, so even if the grapes were ingested
months apart the effect is the same as if they were eaten all at once.
but like I said the actual component of grapes that causes the problem isn't
known. Or at least at my last reading about it it wasn't known.
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
> Is there something bad about grapes? I had a 20 pound poodle mix who
> loved
> grapes as did I. He would watch TV with me and when I was eating grapes,
> I
> always gave him quite a few. He never demonstrated any ill effects.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael Hingson
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:28 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
>
> 15 grapes SHOULDN'T be a problem. Like anything else the issue is
> eating grapes to an excess. They are NOT poisoness in small amounts.
> Fifteen are not considered a large number.
>
>
> Michael Hingson,
> NSA
> President,
> The Michael Hingson Group
> 84 Bahama Reef
> Novato, CA 94949
> Phone Direct number (415) 827-4084
> Fax number (415) 883-6220
> Mobile/Pager (888) 965-9191
> Email
> info at michaelhingson.com
> <
> mailto:
> info at michaelhingson.com>
> For information on Michael's speaking topics, his availability, and
> his consulting services on Diversity and Access Technology for blind
> persons please visit <
> http://www.michaelhingson.com>
> For information on Guide Dogs for the Blind please visit <
> http://www.guidedogs.com>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Ioana Gandrabur
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:23 PM
> To: NFBnet NAGDU Mailing List
> Subject: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Adrian just managed to get some 15 grapes from a boal that was
> negligently left henging around by my mother. He ways about 79 pounds.
> Does anone know if it is dangerous and what I should do?
>
> I'll try the vet too of course but thought I'd write to the list
> anyway.
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Ioana
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:38:26 -0600
From: "Danie and Eden" <pumpkin4byron at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
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Hi, I just saw this. Hopefully, he is fine. Let us know what happened.
God's Blessings,
Danie
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From: "Ioana Gandrabur" <igandrabur at gmx.de>
To: "NFBnet NAGDU Mailing List" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 9:23 PM
Subject: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
> Hi everyone,
>
> Adrian just managed to get some 15 grapes from a boal that was
> negligently left henging around by my mother. He ways about 79 pounds.
> Does anone know if it is dangerous and what I should do?
>
> I'll try the vet too of course but thought I'd write to the list
> anyway.
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Ioana
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:36:20 -0500
From: "Angie Matney" <leadinglabbie at mpmail.net>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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Hi Jeff,
Grapes and raisins can lead to renal failure in dogs. I remember when this
information started circulating. It was not long after I'd gotten my first
dog, and I panicked because I'd given her a few. But as Michael said, a few
grapes won't cause a
problem. I would imagine each dog's tolerance is different, too.
Angie
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:07:58 -0500, Jeffrey Schwartz wrote:
>Is there something bad about grapes? I had a 20 pound poodle mix who
>loved grapes as did I. He would watch TV with me and when I was eating
>grapes, I always gave him quite a few. He never demonstrated any ill
>effects.
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:37:54 -0500
From: "Ioana Gandrabur" <igandrabur at gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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Hi Jeffrey
Grapes like chocolate eaten in large quantities can be poisonous. It
apparently can cause in worst cases kidney failure and death. I just did not
know how much is too much. Incidentally the rascal is fine today had a
looser stool but otherwise quite ok.
Thanks to all,
Ioana and Adrian the grape eater
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Behalf Of Jeffrey Schwartz
Sent: December 2, 2008 7:08 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
Is there something bad about grapes? I had a 20 pound poodle mix who loved
grapes as did I. He would watch TV with me and when I was eating grapes, I
always gave him quite a few. He never demonstrated any ill effects.
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Michael Hingson
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:28 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
15 grapes SHOULDN'T be a problem. Like anything else the issue is eating
grapes to an excess. They are NOT poisoness in small amounts. Fifteen are
not considered a large number.
Michael Hingson,
NSA
President,
The Michael Hingson Group
84 Bahama Reef
Novato, CA 94949
Phone Direct number (415) 827-4084
Fax number (415) 883-6220
Mobile/Pager (888) 965-9191
Email
info at michaelhingson.com
<
mailto:
info at michaelhingson.com>
For information on Michael's speaking topics, his availability, and his
consulting services on Diversity and Access Technology for blind persons
please visit < http://www.michaelhingson.com> For information on Guide Dogs
for the Blind please visit < http://www.guidedogs.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ioana Gandrabur
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:23 PM
To: NFBnet NAGDU Mailing List
Subject: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
Hi everyone,
Adrian just managed to get some 15 grapes from a boal that was negligently
left henging around by my mother. He ways about 79 pounds. Does anone know
if it is dangerous and what I should do?
I'll try the vet too of course but thought I'd write to the list anyway.
Thanks a lot!
Ioana
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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:40:06 -0500
From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
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So we have grapes, raisins and chocolate. Is there anything else I should
know about. Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Julie J.
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:31 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
Yes, grapes and raisins are poisonous to dogs. It isn't exactly understood
if it is the grapes, the seeds or a particular type of grape. Some dogs
seem to be able to tolerate more than other dogs. Some dogs don't seem to
be affected at all. I have read accounts of small dogs becoming ill with
only 20 grapes. Larger dogs can tolerate larger amounts. It is also
thought that
the effect increases cumulatively, so even if the grapes were ingested
months apart the effect is the same as if they were eaten all at once.
but like I said the actual component of grapes that causes the problem isn't
known. Or at least at my last reading about it it wasn't known.
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
> Is there something bad about grapes? I had a 20 pound poodle mix who
> loved
> grapes as did I. He would watch TV with me and when I was eating grapes,
> I
> always gave him quite a few. He never demonstrated any ill effects.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael Hingson
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:28 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
>
> 15 grapes SHOULDN'T be a problem. Like anything else the issue is
> eating grapes to an excess. They are NOT poisoness in small amounts.
> Fifteen are not considered a large number.
>
>
> Michael Hingson,
> NSA
> President,
> The Michael Hingson Group
> 84 Bahama Reef
> Novato, CA 94949
> Phone Direct number (415) 827-4084
> Fax number (415) 883-6220
> Mobile/Pager (888) 965-9191
> Email
> info at michaelhingson.com
> <
> mailto:
> info at michaelhingson.com>
> For information on Michael's speaking topics, his availability, and
> his consulting services on Diversity and Access Technology for blind
> persons please visit <
> http://www.michaelhingson.com>
> For information on Guide Dogs for the Blind please visit <
> http://www.guidedogs.com>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Ioana Gandrabur
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:23 PM
> To: NFBnet NAGDU Mailing List
> Subject: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Adrian just managed to get some 15 grapes from a boal that was
> negligently left henging around by my mother. He ways about 79 pounds.
> Does anone know if it is dangerous and what I should do?
>
> I'll try the vet too of course but thought I'd write to the list
> anyway.
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Ioana
>
>
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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:05:03 -0800
From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
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Anything can be troublesome in quantity. Dark chocolate is the worst kind
of chocolate.
In consulting with the GDB vet staff I am told that some grapes will not be
harmful to a large dog. Roselle loves grapes and gets one as a treat from
time to time.
The best thing is to keep dogs on their own food. Africa, my guide, and our
breeder, Fantasia, are not allowed any human food. We give some vegetables
to Roselle as a treat as a way to help keep any stress she has to a minimum
due to a kidney issue exacerbated by stress.
Accidents do happen, but the best thing is NOT to panic but do your best to
be prepared mentally should one happen and then act thoughtfully.
Michael Hingson,
NSA
President,
The Michael Hingson Group
84 Bahama Reef
Novato, CA 94949
Phone Direct number (415) 827-4084
Fax number (415) 883-6220
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Of Jeffrey Schwartz
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:40 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
So we have grapes, raisins and chocolate. Is there anything else I should
know about. Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Julie J.
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:31 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
Yes, grapes and raisins are poisonous to dogs. It isn't exactly understood
if it is the grapes, the seeds or a particular type of grape. Some dogs
seem to be able to tolerate more than other dogs. Some dogs don't seem to
be affected at all. I have read accounts of small dogs becoming ill with
only 20 grapes. Larger dogs can tolerate larger amounts. It is also
thought that the effect increases cumulatively, so even if the grapes were
ingested months apart the effect is the same as if they were eaten all at
once.
but like I said the actual component of grapes that causes the problem isn't
known. Or at least at my last reading about it it wasn't known.
Julie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
> Is there something bad about grapes? I had a 20 pound poodle mix who
> loved
> grapes as did I. He would watch TV with me and when I was eating grapes,
> I
> always gave him quite a few. He never demonstrated any ill effects.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael Hingson
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:28 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
>
> 15 grapes SHOULDN'T be a problem. Like anything else the issue is
> eating grapes to an excess. They are NOT poisoness in small amounts.
> Fifteen are not considered a large number.
>
>
> Michael Hingson,
> NSA
> President,
> The Michael Hingson Group
> 84 Bahama Reef
> Novato, CA 94949
> Phone Direct number (415) 827-4084
> Fax number (415) 883-6220
> Mobile/Pager (888) 965-9191
> Email
> info at michaelhingson.com
> <
> mailto:
> info at michaelhingson.com>
> For information on Michael's speaking topics, his availability, and
> his consulting services on Diversity and Access Technology for blind
> persons please visit <
> http://www.michaelhingson.com>
> For information on Guide Dogs for the Blind please visit <
> http://www.guidedogs.com>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Ioana Gandrabur
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:23 PM
> To: NFBnet NAGDU Mailing List
> Subject: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Adrian just managed to get some 15 grapes from a boal that was
> negligently left henging around by my mother. He ways about 79 pounds.
> Does anone know if it is dangerous and what I should do?
>
> I'll try the vet too of course but thought I'd write to the list
> anyway.
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Ioana
>
>
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Message: 19
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:23:51 -0600
From: "Julie J." <jlcrane at alltel.net>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
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Good to hear he's okay.
Julie
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:31:48 -0500
From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
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Onions.
Those are very bad.
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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jeffrey Schwartz
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
So we have grapes, raisins and chocolate. Is there anything else I should
know about. Thanks
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Of Julie J.
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 8:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
Yes, grapes and raisins are poisonous to dogs. It isn't exactly understood
if it is the grapes, the seeds or a particular type of grape. Some dogs seem
to be able to tolerate more than other dogs. Some dogs don't seem to be
affected at all. I have read accounts of small dogs becoming ill with only
20 grapes. Larger dogs can tolerate larger amounts. It is also thought
that the effect increases cumulatively, so even if the grapes were ingested
months apart the effect is the same as if they were eaten all at once.
but like I said the actual component of grapes that causes the problem isn't
known. Or at least at my last reading about it it wasn't known.
Julie
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Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
> Is there something bad about grapes? I had a 20 pound poodle mix who
> loved
> grapes as did I. He would watch TV with me and when I was eating
grapes,
> I
> always gave him quite a few. He never demonstrated any ill effects.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:28 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
>
> 15 grapes SHOULDN'T be a problem. Like anything else the issue is
eating
> grapes to an excess. They are NOT poisoness in small amounts.
Fifteen
> are
> not considered a large number.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
> Of Ioana Gandrabur
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:23 PM
> To: NFBnet NAGDU Mailing List
> Subject: [nagdu] help! Adrian ate grapes
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Adrian just managed to get some 15 grapes from a boal that was
negligently
> left henging around by my mother. He ways about 79 pounds. Does anone
know
> if it is dangerous and what I should do?
>
> I'll try the vet too of course but thought I'd write to the list
anyway.
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Ioana
>
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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:59:27 -0500
From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com>
Subject: Re: [nagdu] flea and Tick season in Idaho
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Don't know so my rule of thumb is do it all year round, which is what I need
to do in my part of the world.
A vet should be able to answer this one though, why not give them a call?
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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Lora and Myrtle
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 8:23 PM
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Subject: [nagdu] flea and Tick season in Idaho
Does Anyone know how long a person is supposed to give frontline plus (or
some other flea and tick preventative) in Idaho? Heart guard is given year
round but I couldn't remembet how long flea and tick season is in Idaho. Any
help is appreciated.
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