[nagdu] guide dog schools and dogs growling and barking

Thu Nov 13 17:52:40 UTC 2008

Thank you. 
I read it as Cheryll having the problem but that was just my take on the
note. 
Either way, this has been a good discussion, and I've enjoyed the topic.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Charlene Ota
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:10 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog schools and dogs growling and barking

Rebecca, I guess that comment was to address the possibility that Cheryl
might be wondering why someone retired their dog and she might have
hearad that it was due to barking and growling but didn't get any
details.
Sometimes we don't get the whole story and it might sound strange that a
dog is retired because of growling and barking. So we just don't always
have the whole story.  That's what I meant by that.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Pickrell, Rebecca M.
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:11 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog schools and dogs growling and barking

Charleen wrote;
There's always that special situation that sounds so strange to the rest
of us, but when you look at it, sometimes it can't be helped.
Rebecca writes; Such as? 
Can you provide some additional detail into the statement? 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Charlene Ota
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:36 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog schools and dogs growling and barking

My dog barks a little when someone comes in our yard or to the door but
that's about it.  Heavens!  I sure wouldn't retire the boy for that for
goodness sake!  (smile!)  Oh, and once at our local NFB convention, in a
little movie thing some dog barked and he did that half bark thing maybe
you call it a mumble/bark or something and I told him to be quiet but
that was it.  No big deal!

On a more serious side of it, though, I think it is kind od frustrating
when dogs bark out in public, you know, the full on barking at other
dogs in restaurants and such.  I wish people would at least attempt to
control such behavior and I've seen some who do and some who don't. I
guess if it really gout out of hand and couldn't be stopped it might be
reason for a person to retire the dog because it isn't good behavior out
in public. It's something that would surely have to be looked at in
context. There's always that special situation that sounds so strange to
the rest of us, but when you look at it, sometimes it can't be helped.

Charlene 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of craig.borne at dot.gov
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:41 AM
To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dog schools and dogs growling and barking

Doesn't it matter in what situation the dog growls or barks?  Ollie may
growl or bark at another dog, if that other dog is off leash and in
Ollie's face.  Under that set of circumstances, I can't say I blame him.

Ollie is also in the habit of barking when our door bell rings or
someone knocks at our door (not when the same is done when we are
visiting others at their home).  At first, I tried to curb this
behavior, but then I came to the conclusion that I actually like him
alerting me to when someone is at the door.

Barking and growling at someone or something on the other side of the
street or on leash is not a very good trait in a guide dog, but the
alternatives described above frankly do not bother me, regardless of
whether or not the dog school agrees.

Craig

Craig Borne
NHTSA/DOT
(202) 493-0627
craig.borne at dot.gov

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of cheryl echevarria
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:28 AM
To: nagdu
Cc: New York Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: [nagdu] guide dog schools and dogs growling and barking

I am not a liberty to mention names or dogs or schools.

But there has been some talk and I would like to ask.

hypothetically speaking, if a dog growls or barks, should the school
tell you to retire your dog, I mean I own maxx I had that option but
lets say you don't own your dog out right, and the dog is a good worker
other than the little growls and barking.  Is that any reason to retire
a dog.

Thank you.\

Cheryl Echevarria
Treasurer
National Federation of the Blind
Greater Long Island Chapter 

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