[nagdu] New member

Hope Paulos hope.paulos at maine.edu
Thu Nov 27 23:21:32 UTC 2008


Your right about that! Smile.  I've been working with the new 
trainers as well and have used the clicker for complex behaviors.  
To be honest, I prefer positive reinforcement.  Who was your 
trainer with Faith?
Hope and Beignet

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net
>To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:11:53 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] New member

>Hi,
>I'm not putting John down.  He was very effective.  A kind of 
split has
>developed among guide dog trainers.  Many of the new ones feel 
more
>comfortable with a strategy which relies more on praise and 
tangible
>rewards.  They give the dog a little piece of kibble for doing 
well and at
>the same time sound a little clicker.  After a while they start 
weaning away
>the food.  Thru the association with food the sound of the 
clicker has
>become rewarding.  Eventually, they just rely on the clicker.  
Occasionally
>they may use a piece of food for a new, complex behavior which 
they really
>want to be sure the dog gets down.  For example, when my current 
dog needed
>to learn which of several identical and adjacent flights of steps 
took me to
>my office, they placed a thin slice of hot dog on the correct 
first step.
>After several repetitions Faith got it down nicely.  I'm quite 
sure that
>John is quite disapproving of the use of food in training, but 
his method is
>out of vogue now.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
On Behalf
>Of Hope Paulos
>Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:43 AM
>To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] New member

>Hi Jeff.  My name is Hope Paulos and also have my dog, Beignet, 
from Fidelco.
>She's my first and coincidentally I had John Byfield.  I  
couldn't ask for a
>better trainer.  These dogs listen to and respect him.  If my dog 
barked, all
>he had to do was to say "quiet" and immediately  she stopped.
>If you're interested, there's a Fidelco grad list and I"ll give 
you the link
>if you write me off-list.
>Take care.
>Hope and Beignet

>-----Original Message-----
>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
>Behalf Of Jeffrey Schwartz
>Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 9:26 AM
>To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users'
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] New member


>Thanks Marion.  I hope that you have a great holiday.  What is 
your dog's
>name, and where did you get him/her?

>-----Original Message-----
>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
On Behalf
>Of Marion & Martin
>Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 8:05 PM
>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] New member

>Jeffrey,
>    Welcome to the NAGDU list.  I am sure you will find a great 
deal of
>information and support here.

>Fraternally,
>Marion Gwizdala



>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeffrey Schwartz" <sidney.schwartz at sbcglobal.net
>To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users'"
><nagdu at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:27 PM
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] New member


>> Hi,
>> I just joined this week and was glad to read the digest.  My 
name is Jeff
>> Schwartz.  I am a psychologist and have lived in New Haven by 
way of
>> Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Scranton.  I didn't know that I had a
>> significant
>> visual problem until I was about 20.  At that time I was already 
legally
>> blind due to the insidious deterioration of my visual field from 
Retinitis
>> Pigmentosa.  At age 61, I'm left with little more than light 
perception.
>> I
>> recently received my third guide dog, Faith, from Fidelco.  They 
are a
>> superb organization.  The founders, Charles and Roberta Kaman 
have been
>> raising German Shepherd dogs for about 40 years.  Originally 
they raised
>> them as show dogs.  The story which I heard is that they started 
the
>> school
>> after one of the dogs prevented their young son from running 
into traffic.
>> John Byfield was their first trainer.  He was my trainer for my 
second
>> dog,
>> Webster.  John is from the "old school".  My wife and I called 
him the dog
>> Nazi.  He was really tough, as were all of the early trainers.  
The new
>> breed, if you'll pardon the pun, rely more on positive 
reinforcement.  I
>> really liked the in community orientation, as you get four hours 
a day of
>> the trainer's undivided attention.  I don't think that there are 
any bad
>> or
>> even mediocre schools.  German Shepherds are fantastic dogs.  If 
I were in
>> the position to select a pet, it would be a GSD.  The only 
problem that I
>> have encountered is that they tend to be dog aggressive.  
Fidelco gets its
>> breeding stock from Germany.  They are only a generation or two 
away from
>> being working shepherds.  Every pure bred dog was selectively 
shaped to
>> perform a certain task, even lap dogs.  Centuries ago, before 
central
>> heating and indoor plumbing people seldom bathed.  As a 
consequence, they
>> had fleas.  They would sit with a dog in their lap because, 
given a
>> choice,
>> fleas prefer dogs.  Back to German Shepherds and dog aggression.  
They
>> were
>> bred to keep the flock together and protect it from predators.  
Today's
>> German Shepherds are "hard wired" to see other dogs as potential
>> predators.


>> Like all of you, I have had my share of blind stereotypes tossed 
my way.
>> When I was younger, slim and walked with a white cane, I went 
into a
>> Wal-Mart's and the greeter asked me if I wanted a wheelchair.  
I've been
>> in
>> restaurants with my wife and had the service person ask her "and 
what will
>> he have"   I guess we have all heard, "you don't look blind".
>> Anyway, sorry to have gone on at such length.  I'm glad to have 
joined
>> this
>> group and I'm sure that I will enjoy participating.  I don't 
usually talk
>> so
>> much.  Just ask my spouse.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
On Behalf
>> Of lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:42 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users
>> Subject: New member

>> Hi Mardi,
>> I liked the part about "You don't look blind...".  That one had 
me stumped
>> for years and years.  I didn't know what people meant by the 
remark.  I
>> thoought it was people denying that I was blind.  Well, a 
sighted friend
>> finally explained the basis of the remark to me.  He said that 
people look
>> at a blind person and see the blindness.  People have this view 
that blind
>> people are people who rock, jam their fingers or fist into their 
eye.
>> They
>> walk with a stiff-leggeed gait and don't look at people who are 
talking to
>> them.  In other words, the crappy stereotypes people think of 
when you
>> say,
>> "blind person".

>> Marti, you used to be a sighted person.  Think back on your 
sighted days
>> long before you ever met a blind person.  What did your mind 
conjure up?
>> Now,

>> me - I've always been visually impaired and I can't and never 
was able to
>> see people's faces and the expressions on them.  I had no clue 
about "look
>> blind" sinse I've spent a lifetime around blind people.

>> My friend told me that when someone tells me that I don't "look 
blind" I
>> need to take it as a compliment.  The statement really says that 
you look
>> normal - like a SIGHTED person!  You and I do not have the 
so-called
>> "blind
>> mannerisms" that so many sheltered congenitally blind people 
display.  You
>> learned how to be as a sighted child - what was socially 
acceptable.  As a
>> child, I was taught by my parents how to be in public and that 
people can
>> see what I do.  So, you and I behave in a normal socially 
acceptable
>> manner.

>> We look at people who speak to us.  We don't poke our eyes with 
our
>> fingers
>> or fists.  Our eyes may look pretty normal - well - mine wiggle 
with
>> nystagmus.  We rock only to music or while seated in a rocking 
chair.

>> I don't remember if you are totally blind or are partially 
sighted.  Being
>> in a wheelchair, I can see how people think your guide is a 
wheelchair
>> service dog.  There aren't too many of you out there.  I know 
several
>> visually impaired wheelchair users but they see too much to use 
a guide
>> dog
>> and they don't have a service dog, either.

>> I know it's annoying when people don't know.  People think you 
are either
>> fully sighted - "Oh, you must be faking it!" or you are totally 
blind.
>> People still don't seem to grasp the idea of all kinds of 
partial vision
>> in
>> between.  I tell them that I have enough vision to be dangerous.  
We then
>> have a laugh.

>> Hope that helps!  Thank God we are normal people who can give 
the public a
>> good impression of who blind people are.

>> Take care and Happy Holidays!

>> Linda and Landon
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mardi Hadfield" <wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] service vs therapy dogs and welcome


>>> Hi every one,   I have had similar experiences with Therapy dog 
owners.
>>> They seem to think they know it all.  They seem to think,because 
I am in a
>>> wheelchair that my dog is not a guide.They can't see beyond the 
chair.  My
>>> dog must be a  "wheelchair dog",because I use a wheelchair.  I 
am told
>>> that

>>> I
>>> don't look blind.  Can some one tell me what a blind person 
looks like?
>>> Do
>>> they all look the same? I get so aggravated at these people, 
that I don't
>>> even try to explain.  I just roll away and ignore them.  There 
are too many
>>> other battles that are more important to take care of.           
Welcome
>>> Ted.  All my guides have been Siberian Huskies except for my 
current
>>> trainee,Wanagi.  She is a Husky/Shepherd cross, and I adopted 
her from the
>>> pound.  I have trained my dogs with the aid of a private 
trainer.  I am
>>> sure
>>> that whatever school you choose, you will get a wonderful, and 
faithful
>>> partner.     Have a great day, Mardi and Nala, retired, Wanagi, 
gdit, and
>>> Tokala,gdit.
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