[nagdu] Birmingham Airport is in Alabama
Margo and Elmo
margo.downey at verizon.net
Wed Oct 29 18:10:26 UTC 2008
cheryl, the Birmingham airport being referred to is in england. There is a
Birmingham, england.
margo and Elmo
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Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:10 PM
Subject: [nagdu] Birmingham Airport is in Alabama
> Birmingham is in Alabama which is in the USA
>
> Cheryl Echevarria
> Treasurer
> National Federation of the Blind
> Greater Long Island Chapter
>
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>> 1. out in public (cheryl echevarria)
>> 2. Re: A Question of Philosophy (lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com)
>> 3. Re: Service dog killed on Portland bus (Sam)
>> 4. Re: Service dog killed on Portland bus (Sam)
>> 5. Re: msnbc.com: Service dog turned away from local hotel
>> (lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com)
>> 6. Re: Out of the way in public (Angie Matney)
>> 7. Re: Assistance dogs now welcome at Birmingham airport - (Julie J.)
>> 8. Re: A Question of Philosophy (Angie Matney)
>> 9. Re: A Question of Philosophy (Julie J.)
>> 10. Re: holiday gathering at the mall (cheryl echevarria)
>> 11. Re: A Question of Philosophy (Angie Matney)
>> 12. Re: msnbc.com: Service dog turned away from local hotel (Julie J.)
>> 13. Re: Service dog killed on Portland bus (Michael Hingson)
>> 14. Re: Assistance dogs now welcome at Birmingham airport -
>> (MS S TILLETT)
>> 15. Re: A Question of Philosophy (Jennie Facer)
>> 16. Re: Assistance dogs now welcome at Birmingham airport -
>> (Michael Hingson)
>> 17. Re: Service dog killed on a bus (Mardi Hadfield)
>> 18. Re: msnbc.com: Service dog turned away from local hotel
>> (melissa R. Green)
>> 19. Service animals take their spot on Portland buses (Ginger Kutsch)
>> 20. The definition of service animals grows (Ginger Kutsch)
>> 21. Re: Assistance dogs now welcome at Birmingham airport -
>> (Pickrell, Rebecca M.)
>> 22. Re: Assistance dogs now welcome at Birmingham airport -
>> (Pickrell, Rebecca M.)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:16:58 -0400
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: [nagdu] out in public
>> To: "nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <BAY131-DS20772C621F5C12F3E4416A1270 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Well at GDF, Jeanine correct me if I am wrong, do they still have the
>> different seating in the little eating area where they have the 4
>> different
>> types of seatings at restaurant.
>>
>> I thought that was great, that GDF has that there. I don't let maxx
>> sprawl
>> anywhere, and he prefers to be out of the way anyway. sometimes his tail
>> sticks out or his nose.
>>
>>
>> he prefers when we are out to put his head on my foot. and curl up as
>> much
>> as possible.
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>> Treasurer
>> National Federation of the Blind
>> Greater Long Island Chapter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:22:35 -0700
>> From: <lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A Question of Philosophy
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Ann,
>> I would definately talk to this writer about Panda and what she does for
>> you. I think this is a great opportunity to show the general public what
>> a
>> guide horse is and what it can do. I would ask her further what "life
>> saving" means to her. Use this as an opportunity to teach people the
>> realitiies of what it is to be blind. Use some of what you said in your
>> post.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Linda and Landon
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 12:06 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] A Question of Philosophy
>>
>>
>> > Hi, Everyone,,
>> >
>> > I have recently been contacted by a writer who is writing a book about
>> > "animals which save lives". She is interested in talking with me about
>> > Panda and her work as a guide. I responded to the writer that I am
>> > always
>> > happy to talk about Panda and her guide work, but that I had some
>> > qualms
>> > about focusing on the "life-saving", dramatic aspect of our
>> > partnership.
>> >
>> > I know that many guide dog users will say that their dogs "save their
>> > lives" many times each day. But to me this statement can very easily
>> > be
>> > misunderstood by the general public. It could give the impression that
>> > blind people are incapable of traveling safely outside their homes
>> > without
>> > the miraculous life-saving instincts and skills of a specially-bred and
>> > specially-trained service animal. Although I very much appreciate my
>> > guide's abilities to guide me around obstacles, to evaluate footing for
>> > hazardous conditions, to plan a route through construction sites and
>> > other
>> > complicated situations, and to judge traffic and take evasive action or
>> > exercise intelligent disobedience where necessary, I guess I am more
>> > inclined to frame our safe travel as the result of contributions by
>> > both
>> > the human and the animal members of the partnership.
>> >
>> > Also, I usually think of Panda's guide work as making travel smoother,
>> > more efficient, and more relaxing and enjoyable for me, rather than as
>> > a
>> > matter of life and death. I feel that I am capable of traveling safely
>> > using my white cane, as well as using my guide animal. In either case,
>> > I
>> > still must use my senses of hearing, touch, and smell, and my
>> > intelligence, experience, and judgment to evaluate the environment
>> > around
>> > me every moment as I travel. Of course, I appreciate the assistance
>> > that
>> > Panda provides me, or why would I take on the added responsibilities
>> > and
>> > chores that caring for an animal partner and maintaining a working
>> > partnership entail?
>> >
>> > Another reason that I am reluctant to talk about the work of a guide
>> > animal as "life-saving" work is that I do not regard the world as an
>> > inherently dangerous and scary place, or at least, not significantly
>> > more
>> > dangerous to me as a blind person than to anyone else in the general
>> > population. I can remember sitting in my 7th grade health class and
>> > hearing the teacher say, "Turn to the person sitting next to you and
>> > take
>> > a good look at him or her. Statistics show that one of the two of you
>> > will be seriously injured or killed in a traffic accident." And this
>> > was
>> > in a class where everyone was fully-sighted, except for me.
>> >
>> > I know that one way of looking at the world is that we are taking our
>> > lives into our hands every time we venture out onto the streets. In
>> > that
>> > light, the service our guides provide may be considered truly
>> > life-saving.
>> > But then, don't we take risks of harm to life and health every time we
>> > breathe the air, drink the water, or eat food purchased at the local
>> > market? The alternative, of not doing anything unless it can be shown
>> > to
>> > be risk-free, is neither very attractive, nor very practical.
>> >
>> > And here is the final thought that causes me pause when I am asked to
>> > describe the "life-saving" work of my guide: Haven't we all heard of
>> > blind people who have been injured or killed while walking with their
>> > guide animals? Obviously, there is no guarantee of safety, with or
>> > without a well-trained guide animal. There is only the increased
>> > probability of successful travel that can be achieved by using all the
>> > skills and techniques that we ourselves judge will work best for each
>> > of
>> > us as individuals.
>> >
>> > I would welcome your thoughts on this subject to help me formulate how
>> > to
>> > frame the discussion with the writer who has contacted me, as well as
>> > for
>> > future reference.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Ann
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:38:23 -0500
>> From: Sam <sam at tcq.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service dog killed on Portland bus
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>, nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID: <mailman.94.1225296004.10010.nagdu_nfbnet.org at nfbnet.org>
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>>
>> Personally, I'm wondering why either one of them were on the bus?
>>
>> Sam
>>
>>
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Claude Everett" <ceverett at dslextreme.com
>> >To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >Date sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:31:22 -0700
>> >Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service dog killed on Portland bus
>>
>> >Just by reading the article the dog killed was a companion dog
>> not a real
>> >service dog. And*** what reason was the Rot wilder on the bus
>> for? was it
>> >a service animal?
>> >Regards,
>> >Claude Everett
>> >American by chance, Californian by choice.
>> >Everyone has a disability, some are more aware of it than others.
>> >"If we have learned one thing from the civil rights movement in
>> the united
>> >states, it is that when you let others speak for you, you lose."
>> >Ed Roberts
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf
>> >Of Jennie Facer
>> >Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:07 AM
>> >To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'
>> >Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service dog killed on Portland bus
>>
>> >That is really sad!
>>
>> >Jenn
>>
>> >TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf
>> >Of Ginger Kutsch
>> >Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:23 AM
>> >To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users
>> >Subject: [nagdu] Service dog killed on Portland bus
>>
>> >Service dog killed on Portland bus
>> >10/28/2008,
>> >The Associated Press
>> >http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/news-27/12251
>> 82546240560
>> >..xml&storylist=orlocal
>> >PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - TriMet, which increased security following
>> a series of
>> >high-profile assaults involving humans, is now faced with a
>> brutal case of
>> >dog-on-dog violence.
>>
>> >The attack happened late Sunday afternoon when Leroy Morley and
>> his 50-pound
>> >Rottweiler mix were walking toward the front of the bus to exit
>> in North
>> >Portland, said Peggy LaPoint, a spokeswoman for the mass transit
>> agency.
>>
>> >Marie Kelemen, the owner of the victim, said the bigger dog
>> neither growled
>> >nor barked before breaking the neck of Buddy, the 7-pound
>> Pomeranian that
>> >bled to death in her lap.
>>
>>
>> >Transit police responded to the scene. Morley was allowed to
>> leave, but has
>> >been barred from riding TriMet buses and trains for 30 days.
>>
>> >Kelemen, 59, of Portland said the penalty is not severe enough.
>> "It was
>> >horrible," she told The Oregonian newspaper. "It was terrible.
>> That's why 30
>> >days is ludicrous."
>>
>> >The Pomeranian was a service dog and therefore authorized to ride
>> the bus.
>> >The larger dog was not.
>>
>> >The case has been referred to Multnomah County Animal Services,
>> spokesman
>> >John Rowton said. "But we haven't seen the report, and we're
>> waiting for a
>> >copy of the video from the bus' surveillance camera."
>>
>> >TriMet's Web site states that service dogs are allowed to ride
>> buses and
>> >trains but must be kept on a leash or in a carrier. The
>> definition of a
>> >service dog is broad. According to the Americans with
>> Disabilities Act, a
>> >service animal can be "any guide dog, signal dog or other animal
>> >individually trained to provide assistance to an individual with
>> a
>> >disability."
>>
>> >Kelemen said she has a doctor's note that authorized Buddy to be
>> her
>> >companion dog. "He was such a nice little guy," she said. "It's
>> awfully
>> >quiet without him."
>>
>> >___
>>
>> >Information from: The Oregonian, http://www.oregonlive.com
>>
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:38:23 -0500
>> From: Sam <sam at tcq.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service dog killed on Portland bus
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>, nagdu at nfbnet.org
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>> Personally, I'm wondering why either one of them were on the bus?
>>
>> Sam
>>
>>
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Claude Everett" <ceverett at dslextreme.com
>> >To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >Date sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:31:22 -0700
>> >Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service dog killed on Portland bus
>>
>> >Just by reading the article the dog killed was a companion dog
>> not a real
>> >service dog. And*** what reason was the Rot wilder on the bus
>> for? was it
>> >a service animal?
>> >Regards,
>> >Claude Everett
>> >American by chance, Californian by choice.
>> >Everyone has a disability, some are more aware of it than others.
>> >"If we have learned one thing from the civil rights movement in
>> the united
>> >states, it is that when you let others speak for you, you lose."
>> >Ed Roberts
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf
>> >Of Jennie Facer
>> >Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:07 AM
>> >To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'
>> >Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service dog killed on Portland bus
>>
>> >That is really sad!
>>
>> >Jenn
>>
>> >TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf
>> >Of Ginger Kutsch
>> >Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:23 AM
>> >To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users
>> >Subject: [nagdu] Service dog killed on Portland bus
>>
>> >Service dog killed on Portland bus
>> >10/28/2008,
>> >The Associated Press
>> >http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/news-27/12251
>> 82546240560
>> >..xml&storylist=orlocal
>> >PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - TriMet, which increased security following
>> a series of
>> >high-profile assaults involving humans, is now faced with a
>> brutal case of
>> >dog-on-dog violence.
>>
>> >The attack happened late Sunday afternoon when Leroy Morley and
>> his 50-pound
>> >Rottweiler mix were walking toward the front of the bus to exit
>> in North
>> >Portland, said Peggy LaPoint, a spokeswoman for the mass transit
>> agency.
>>
>> >Marie Kelemen, the owner of the victim, said the bigger dog
>> neither growled
>> >nor barked before breaking the neck of Buddy, the 7-pound
>> Pomeranian that
>> >bled to death in her lap.
>>
>>
>> >Transit police responded to the scene. Morley was allowed to
>> leave, but has
>> >been barred from riding TriMet buses and trains for 30 days.
>>
>> >Kelemen, 59, of Portland said the penalty is not severe enough.
>> "It was
>> >horrible," she told The Oregonian newspaper. "It was terrible.
>> That's why 30
>> >days is ludicrous."
>>
>> >The Pomeranian was a service dog and therefore authorized to ride
>> the bus.
>> >The larger dog was not.
>>
>> >The case has been referred to Multnomah County Animal Services,
>> spokesman
>> >John Rowton said. "But we haven't seen the report, and we're
>> waiting for a
>> >copy of the video from the bus' surveillance camera."
>>
>> >TriMet's Web site states that service dogs are allowed to ride
>> buses and
>> >trains but must be kept on a leash or in a carrier. The
>> definition of a
>> >service dog is broad. According to the Americans with
>> Disabilities Act, a
>> >service animal can be "any guide dog, signal dog or other animal
>> >individually trained to provide assistance to an individual with
>> a
>> >disability."
>>
>> >Kelemen said she has a doctor's note that authorized Buddy to be
>> her
>> >companion dog. "He was such a nice little guy," she said. "It's
>> awfully
>> >quiet without him."
>>
>> >___
>>
>> >Information from: The Oregonian, http://www.oregonlive.com
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:53:53 -0700
>> From: <lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] msnbc.com: Service dog turned away from local
>> hotel
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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>> Hi,
>> I saw the article whose link is below. That stinks about the hotel lying
>> to
>> the woman with the service dog in training.
>>
>> Linda and Landon
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> To: "nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 3:30 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] msnbc.com: Service dog turned away from local hotel
>>
>>
>> > Let me know if you are able to get his messaage.
>> >
>> > Service dog turned away from local hotel
>> > Emily Longnecker/Eyewitness News
>> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27368805/from/ET/
>> >
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:28:17 -0400
>> From: "Angie Matney" <leadinglabbie at mpmail.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Out of the way in public
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <mailman.96.1225296004.10010.nagdu_nfbnet.org at nfbnet.org>
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>>
>> Hi Tracy,
>>
>> In my TSE class, the lead instructor (and therefore, pretty much all the
>> other instructors) insisted on the dogs going under chairs. This must be
>> a thing that varies from class to class. I prefer the under-the-chair
>> method, too, but some charis
>> aren't designed to accommodate even a small dog because of a bar
>> underneath. In these situations, I might ask if one of the chairs at the
>> table could be moved so that the dog won't protrude into the aisle.
>>
>> I think that in your situation, Darleen, it's possible that the
>> restaurant staff person was probably just overzealous in enforcing a reg
>> about unobstructed aisles. I had a flight attendant say something to me
>> along those lines once. In that case,
>> glaze's nose was just *barely* protruding past the edge of the seat. She
>> was not lying in the aisle.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Angie with Yani and retired Glaze
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:16:38 -0400 (EDT), Tracy Carcione wrote:
>>
>> >Jeanine, I couldn't agree more! It's not just at conventions that
>> >people
>> >let dogs sprawl out any old where. It drives me buggy. It's dangerous
>> >for the dog, and rude to other people. Guess I'm getting old-farty,
>> >too.
>> >And I'm not sure the schools emphasize it as much anymore, either. I
>> >remember my first class at GDB we got it hammered in to us, but in later
>> >classes I didn't hear much about it. Though they might have figured we
>> >retrains already knew (not a valid assumption.)
>> >In my class at TSE, they did talk about it. But the technique my
>> >instructor insisted on was putting the dog beside my chair, and I've
>> >always preferred the under the chair method myself.
>> >But at least they talked about it.
>> >Tracy
>>
>> >> Darlene asked if anyone had ever heard of a fire martial rule about
>> >> dogs
>> >> having to be out of the walkway in restaurants.
>> >>
>> >> Though I've never heard of this and though I realize some dogs are
>> >> large
>> >> and
>> >> many table and booth setups aren't exactly dog friendly, I hate to be
>> >> a
>> >> giant prude about this, but your dog shouldn't be in the walk way
>> >> period.
>> >> If
>> >> you have to move a chair to give the dog space, do so. If you need to
>> >> sit
>> >> in
>> >> a particular place because your dog is larger, do so. I know there are
>> >> places where dogs just can't fit under the table, but most times there
>> >> are
>> >> ways to keep them out of the general walkway.
>> >>
>> >> It's dangerous not only for people walking, who are usually not
>> >> looking
>> >> down, but for your dog, who could be tripped over, have hot food or
>> >> liquid
>> >> spilled on it or be bothered by the many children I encounter more and
>> >> more
>> >> often, unsupervised in restaurants.
>> >>
>> >> Gee, I really do think I am becoming my mother here, but I don't
>> >> recall
>> >> ever
>> >> being allowed to get up and wander around during a meal, at home or in
>> >> public. <grin>
>> >>
>> >> I know that at many guide dog schools, Southeastern included, they do
>> >> make
>> >> a
>> >> big deal about the dogs being out of the way and several schools have
>> >> a
>> >> variety of seating options in some of their lounges to practice this
>> >> chore.
>> >>
>> >> I'm not yelling at anyone here or saying that the fire martial stuff
>> >> is
>> >> correct. It's probably not, but my guess too is that someone has
>> >> tripped
>> >> over a dog there and hence the warning.
>> >>
>> >> Sadly, I've been to my share of conventions where dogs are just sort
>> >> of
>> >> everywhere. This is due in part to hotels choosing to make tables at
>> >> banquets and luncheons rounds of 10 with chairs packed together so you
>> >> can't
>> >> really make room. <grin> Not good, but even when there are a lot of
>> >> dogs,
>> >> most hotel style chairs can accommodate a dog under them.
>> >>
>> >> Again, showing my "Old Fartedness", does it seem as if there is less
>> >> stress
>> >> being put on dog awareness than in past guide dog training? I realize
>> >> it's
>> >> not politically correct, or exactly helpful, to yell at people, play
>> >> tricks
>> >> on them, etc. during class, but I recall during my first several
>> >> classes
>> >> at
>> >> 2 different schools, having the fear of Instructor put into me over
>> >> where
>> >> my
>> >> dog was and what it was doing. Sometimes, the dog just disappeared. I
>> >> have
>> >> to say proudly that this never happened to me, but certainly I got my
>> >> share
>> >> of public and private admonishments to pay attention to my dog's
>> >> whereabouts. This extended to how the dog was positioned under tables.
>> >>
>> >> When I first went to GDF back in 1990, we had a dining room setup that
>> >> looked very much like one of those little country restaurants. There
>> >> were
>> >> tables that sat 4 people plus a seat on either end. The tables had the
>> >> long
>> >> braces at the bottom in an X shape so they crossed the space under
>> >> everyone's feet. The chairs were those little wooden country seats
>> >> with
>> >> the
>> >> bar underneath. This made getting a dog under the table extremely
>> >> interesting. We had a system where people sitting diagonally across
>> >> from
>> >> each other brought their dogs to meals. As you can imagine, by about
>> >> the
>> >> third week, no one could remember whose turn it was to bring his/her
>> >> dog
>> >> to
>> >> lunch and things could get ugly. <grin>
>> >>
>> >> One thing it did teach though was how to get a dog under a table like
>> >> that
>> >> and keep it there while another, equally uncomfortable dog was doing
>> >> the
>> >> same across the way.
>> >>
>> >> Now we have round tables that seat 4 regularly but can seat up to 6.
>> >> Chairs
>> >> allow for dogs to go under them easily, if not readily, and all dogs
>> >> come
>> >> to
>> >> each meal.
>> >>
>> >> I've had 50 pound dogs and 80 pound dogs and both were able to fit
>> >> reasonably under things. Some did so with a lot more grace than
>> >> others.
>> >> <grin> My current guy is big. He's tall and bulky but he can curl up
>> >> under
>> >> a
>> >> chair fairly neatly.
>> >>
>> >> Even when going out with both of our dogs, my husband and I try
>> >> extremely
>> >> hard to keep them out of the aisles and walkways. They are both around
>> >> 75
>> >> pounds but his Golden is a bit lankier.
>> >>
>> >> Sorry for the rant here but Darlene's question sparked a topic I've
>> >> been
>> >> fussing over for ages.
>> >>
>> >> Jenine Stanley
>> >> Sorry, I don't have the authority to save the world today.
>> >> jeninems at wowway.com
>> >>
>> >>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:35:05 -0500
>> From: "Julie J." <jlcrane at alltel.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Assistance dogs now welcome at Birmingham airport
>> -
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <00c901c9392b$e6232650$01fea8c0 at your07cc84feb2>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> What country is this airport in?
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ginger Kutsch" <gingerkutsch at yahoo.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:09 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Assistance dogs now welcome at Birmingham airport -
>>
>>
>> > Assistance Dogs Now Welcome At Birmingham Airport
>> > Monday 27th October 2008
>> > http://www.compare-airport-parking.co.uk/news/1244/Assistance-Dogs-No
>> >
>> > w-Welcome-At-Birmingham-Airport.html
>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Birmingham Airport passengers that suffer from visual impairments will
>> >
>> > now be able to travel through the airport with greater ease after it
>> > was
>> >
>> > announced that assistance dogs are welcome.
>> >
>> > The new rules are set to benefit those passengers with sight problems
>> > as
>> >
>> > they will be able to travel through the whole airport with the
>> > assistance
>> > of
>> >
>> > their dog. The One Complete Solution (OCS) group that are already
>> >
>> > responsible for caring for passengers with mobility problems at the
>> > airport
>> >
>> > will take charge of the new process.
>> >
>> > The reasons behind the new rules are due to a recent piece of EU
>> >
>> > legislation that now permits guide dogs to be allowed on flights on a
>> >
>> > number of routes. This new rule is set to greatly enhance the
>> > experience
>> > of
>> >
>> > passing through the airport for those passengers with sight problems.
>> >
>> > When passenger with a guide dog arrive at the airport the vacination
>> >
>> > history of the canine will be checked and additional assistance will be
>> >
>> > provided for guide dogs and thir owners who will be met and taken
>> >
>> > through the airport terminal upon arrival by a member of staff.
>> >
>> > Speaking about the new regulations was John Morris, Head of Corporate
>> >
>> > Affairs who said;
>> >
>> > "Being able to welcome assistance dogs here will make it even easier
>> > for
>> >
>> > those with visual impairments to use the Midlands' premier airport. The
>> >
>> > Airport team has worked with a number of partners to make this project
>> > a
>> >
>> > success and we look forward to welcoming many more assistance dogs
>> >
>> > through Birmingham in the coming months."
>> >
>> > The airport does request that those passengers who are to be travelling
>> >
>> > with a guide or assistance dog contact the airline or tour operator
>> > before
>> >
>> > they travel to ensure the correct procedures are in place to deal with
>> > their
>> >
>> > visit.
>> >
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Published by: Jon Vickery
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:35:53 -0400
>> From: "Angie Matney" <leadinglabbie at mpmail.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A Question of Philosophy
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <mailman.97.1225296004.10010.nagdu_nfbnet.org at nfbnet.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hi Rebecca,
>>
>> You make some good points. But I think it's possible to create effective
>> fundraising material without making the human half of the team seem
>> utterly incompetent. It might require a little more creativity, but this
>> shouldn't be too onerous a task for
>> anyone who is serious about their craft.
>>
>> Remember the Ivy Creek website from a few years ago? "We provide the gift
>> of light in a world of darkness..." <gag>
>>
>> And the irony is that this is the one school that explicitly stated they
>> weren't tyring to raise funds, since they were independently financed.
>>
>> (Also, I'm not casting any aspersions on anyone who has ever been
>> affiliated with Ivy Creek. But you have to admit that was a little over
>> the top.)
>>
>> Angie
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:20:48 -0400, Pickrell, Rebecca M. wrote:
>>
>> >First, I'll start off by saying that Ann's message was great.
>> >Second, the hero dog sells, which is why it is used in literature and
>> >fund-raising. It's a marketting tool, not an anti-NFB tactic.
>> >Ann, I hope the author takes what you say and can use it in his or her
>> >book.
>> >You write the truth. Unfortunately, the truth doesn't have the zing that
>> >the wonder dog does.
>> >Emotions are what people use when they buy and fund-raising is just
>> >another form of buying a product. The difference is that the consumer
>> >is buying a dream, not something he or she can hold in their hands.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:40:17 -0500
>> From: "Julie J." <jlcrane at alltel.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A Question of Philosophy
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <00d301c9392c$9fe885d0$01fea8c0 at your07cc84feb2>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Ann,
>>
>> I think you have pretty well summed up my thoughts, although I don't
>> think I
>> could have conveyed them so well! *smile*
>>
>> My sincerest wishes that you are able to have some meaningful dialogue
>> with
>> the writer and that she incorporates your information into her book.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Julie
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 2:06 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] A Question of Philosophy
>>
>>
>> > Hi, Everyone,,
>> >
>> > I have recently been contacted by a writer who is writing a book about
>> > "animals which save lives". She is interested in talking with me about
>> > Panda and her work as a guide. I responded to the writer that I am
>> > always
>> > happy to talk about Panda and her guide work, but that I had some
>> > qualms
>> > about focusing on the "life-saving", dramatic aspect of our
>> > partnership.
>> >
>> > I know that many guide dog users will say that their dogs "save their
>> > lives" many times each day. But to me this statement can very easily
>> > be
>> > misunderstood by the general public. It could give the impression that
>> > blind people are incapable of traveling safely outside their homes
>> > without
>> > the miraculous life-saving instincts and skills of a specially-bred and
>> > specially-trained service animal. Although I very much appreciate my
>> > guide's abilities to guide me around obstacles, to evaluate footing for
>> > hazardous conditions, to plan a route through construction sites and
>> > other
>> > complicated situations, and to judge traffic and take evasive action or
>> > exercise intelligent disobedience where necessary, I guess I am more
>> > inclined to frame our safe travel as the result of contributions by
>> > both
>> > the human and the animal members of the partnership.
>> >
>> > Also, I usually think of Panda's guide work as making travel smoother,
>> > more efficient, and more relaxing and enjoyable for me, rather than as
>> > a
>> > matter of life and death. I feel that I am capable of traveling safely
>> > using my white cane, as well as using my guide animal. In either case,
>> > I
>> > still must use my senses of hearing, touch, and smell, and my
>> > intelligence, experience, and judgment to evaluate the environment
>> > around
>> > me every moment as I travel. Of course, I appreciate the assistance
>> > that
>> > Panda provides me, or why would I take on the added responsibilities
>> > and
>> > chores that caring for an animal partner and maintaining a working
>> > partnership entail?
>> >
>> > Another reason that I am reluctant to talk about the work of a guide
>> > animal as "life-saving" work is that I do not regard the world as an
>> > inherently dangerous and scary place, or at least, not significantly
>> > more
>> > dangerous to me as a blind person than to anyone else in the general
>> > population. I can remember sitting in my 7th grade health class and
>> > hearing the teacher say, "Turn to the person sitting next to you and
>> > take
>> > a good look at him or her. Statistics show that one of the two of you
>> > will be seriously injured or killed in a traffic accident." And this
>> > was
>> > in a class where everyone was fully-sighted, except for me.
>> >
>> > I know that one way of looking at the world is that we are taking our
>> > lives into our hands every time we venture out onto the streets. In
>> > that
>> > light, the service our guides provide may be considered truly
>> > life-saving.
>> > But then, don't we take risks of harm to life and health every time we
>> > breathe the air, drink the water, or eat food purchased at the local
>> > market? The alternative, of not doing anything unless it can be shown
>> > to
>> > be risk-free, is neither very attractive, nor very practical.
>> >
>> > And here is the final thought that causes me pause when I am asked to
>> > describe the "life-saving" work of my guide: Haven't we all heard of
>> > blind people who have been injured or killed while walking with their
>> > guide animals? Obviously, there is no guarantee of safety, with or
>> > without a well-trained guide animal. There is only the increased
>> > probability of successful travel that can be achieved by using all the
>> > skills and techniques that we ourselves judge will work best for each
>> > of
>> > us as individuals.
>> >
>> > I would welcome your thoughts on this subject to help me formulate how
>> > to
>> > frame the discussion with the writer who has contacted me, as well as
>> > for
>> > future reference.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Ann
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:41:23 -0400
>> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] holiday gathering at the mall
>> To: "New York Association of Guide Dog Users" <nyagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: nagdu <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <BAY131-DS6F289E2EE3DD233EC40DFA1270 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> here is the response to me being at the mall on the 6th, unfortunately I
>> have told the mall many a time that I work on Thursday and Friday. I
>> will
>> try and do this and maybe try to get to work late I will have to see what
>> I
>> can do. I am also forwarding this to NAGDU.
>>
>> Take care.
>>
>> I think this would be great to do as something that all NAGDU chapters
>> can
>> work on.
>>
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>> Treasurer
>> National Federation of the Blind
>> Greater Long Island Chapter
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Adam Heaven" <aheaven at us.westfield.com>
>> To: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
>> Cc: "Christiann Wallace" <cwallace at us.westfield.com>; "John Best"
>> <JBEST at us.westfield.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:46 AM
>> Subject: RE: holiday gathering at the mall
>>
>>
>> Hi Cheryl:
>>
>> The retailer meeting will be Thursday, November 6th at 8:30am in the
>> food court. As originally discussed, you are welcome to attend the
>> meeting and give a short presentation about the legalities of service
>> animals in public places. Please understand that we cover quite a bit
>> of material for the retailers in a very short amount of time as the
>> retailers have the obligation to staff their stores before the 10am mall
>> open time so we would appreciate it if you are able to keep your
>> presentation very brief. If you are available to stay after the meeting
>> the retailers that have additional time would be invited to approach you
>> with any further questions they may have.
>>
>> As for as Barbizon goes (and all other tables, carts, booths, etc...)
>> they pay a daily/weekend/weekly fee to be here in the center.
>> Unfortunately, due to the extraordinary demand of non-profits wanting to
>> set up informational tables here at the center we had to place a stop on
>> the table set ups as we could not possibly accommodate everyone. If you
>> wanted to find a sponsor for your group who would be willing to pay a
>> nominal fee for the table set up at the center we would be happy to
>> accommodate you. There are other requirements such as insurance, etc
>> that we can discuss if you are still interested. Please let me know if
>> you have any questions- I will be happy to assist you with getting a
>> table display.
>>
>> I look forward to hearing back from you about your availability on
>> Thursday, November 6th. As always, please don't hesitate to contact me
>> if you have any questions.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Adam Heaven
>> Assistant General Manager
>> Westfield South Shore
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cheryl echevarria [mailto:cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:29 AM
>> To: Adam Heaven
>> Subject: holiday gathering at the mall
>>
>> I have 2 questions. First want to know when you are having that
>> gathering
>> with the retailers prior to the holiday since next week is the first
>> week of
>> November. I am meeting with Assemblyman Ramos and Senator Trunzo that
>> Wednesday after the elections.
>>
>> Also, when I was in the mall a few weeks ago you had a table with the
>> Modeling School Barbizon. I was wondering what was that all about. I
>> had
>> asked if I could get a table for the NFB, October is meet the blind
>> month.
>> and I am also looking for members for the Suffolk County Chapter as well
>> as
>> talk to the public about guide dogs.
>>
>> Is there anyway of doing this. I don't plan on selling anything I just
>> want
>> to be able to do an information table. And the girl scouts sell there
>> cookies there every year as well.
>>
>> Cheryl Echevarria
>> Treasurer
>> National Federation of the Blind
>> Greater Long Island Chapter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:41:45 -0400
>> From: "Angie Matney" <leadinglabbie at mpmail.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A Question of Philosophy
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <mailman.98.1225296004.10010.nagdu_nfbnet.org at nfbnet.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Here's an excerpt from Love in the Lead that makes the point:
>>
>> Before he left Vevey, two experiences completed his conversion
>> to a religious faith in Buddy. The first appeared on a sunken road
>> leading up from the funicular to Fortunate Fields. Ahead of him he heard
>> galloping hoofs and clattering wheels
>> bearing down at a breakneck speed. For just an instant, Buddy paused,
>> then wheeled right and pulled him off the road up a steep embankment.
>> The harness handle seemed to be rising nearly over his head, but he hung
>> on tight and stumbled up
>> after her. He reached the top only moments before a pair of runaway
>> horses dragging a heavy peasant cart thundered by. Jack Humphrey, who
>> saw it all, was too far behind to come to the rescue. Buddy had done it
>> all on her own.
>> The second experience was far less dramatic, even prosaic.
>> Morris was sitting in the drawing room before lunch listening to Mrs.
>> Eustis playing one of the grand pianos.
>> "I need a haircut," he mused, fingering the hair above his
>> ears. "Do you think Mr. Eustis could take me down to the barber shop this
>> afternoon?"
>> The piano paused. "You have Buddy, Morris," Mrs. Eustis
>> suggested. 'Why don't you go with her?"
>> Why didn't he go with her? The thought was staggering. It was
>> a long moment before he could take it in. He could go with Buddy. He
>> didn't have to depend on a human guide, wait until it suited his
>> convenience and feel obligated for the
>> favor afterwards. He could go with Buddy, who would ask no thanks beyond
>> the "Atta good girls" that were becoming second nature and who would feel
>> proud and happy at the opportunity to work.
>> After lunch, Morris harnessed Buddy and headed for the
>> funicular. In Vevey they threaded their way to the barber shop and
>> returned. The trip had none of the thrill of a narrow escape from
>> runaway horses, but its meaning was far more
>> exciting to Morris. A runaway team comes once in a lifetime. Haircuts
>> come every few weeks. Nothing could be more ordinary. That is the
>> reason why it is so hard to get a human guide to take a blind man for a
>> haircut. Family and friends will be
>> generous on important occasions. It is the ordinary prosaic little
>> chores, the trips to the barber shop or post office, the purchase of
>> shoelaces or tooth paste that can be most frustrating by reason of their
>> very simplicity.
>> Late that afternoon, sitting alone on the terrace overlooking
>> the lake, Morris began to laugh. He couldn't stop. The more he tried,
>> the harder he laughed. Mrs. Eustis overheard him and came out to find
>> him alone, laughing as she had never
>> heard him laugh before.
>> "What in the world is the matter?"
>> It took Morris a moment to control himself. Then he explained.
>> "At home in Nashville getting my hair cut was a major event. Some days
>> Father would drop me off at the barber shop on his way to work and leave
>> me there until he could pick
>> me up on his way home to lunch. Today Buddy took me to get my hair cut.
>> For the first time in four years, I'm free. That's why I'm laughing.
>> Because I'm free, by God. I'm free!"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:47:17 -0500
>> From: "Julie J." <jlcrane at alltel.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] msnbc.com: Service dog turned away from local
>> hotel
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <00db01c9392d$9a848f20$01fea8c0 at your07cc84feb2>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> I think it also depends on your interpretation of the service dog in
>> training laws. Personally, I don't think the law is meant to be
>> interpreted
>> that the dog in training can go anywhere, anytime as long as the trainer
>> accompanies the dog. My personal belief is that there needs to be some
>> training going on. I don't know what sort of training would be taking
>> place in a hotel after the first bit. Really would it take days and days
>> to
>> teach the dog about hotel etiquette? I think that too often the service
>> dog
>> in training laws are used for the convenience factor and not the training
>> factor.
>>
>> JMHO
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 8:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] msnbc.com: Service dog turned away from local hotel
>>
>>
>> > Well there you go. Thanks for sending this along.
>> >
>> > As usual it's about education.
>> >
>> >
>> > Michael Hingson,
>> > NSA
>> > President,
>> > The Michael Hingson Group
>> > 84 Bahama Reef
>> > Novato, CA 94949
>> > Phone Direct number (415) 827-4084
>> > Fax number (415) 883-6220
>> > Mobile/Pager (888) 965-9191
>> > Email
>> > info at michaelhingson.com
>> > <
>> > mailto:
>> > info at michaelhingson.com>
>> > For information on Michael's speaking topics, his availability, and his
>> > consulting services on Diversity and Access Technology for blind
>> > persons
>> > please
>> > visit <
>> > http://www.michaelhingson.com>
>> > For information on Guide Dogs for the Blind please visit <
>> > http://www.guidedogs.com>
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> > Behalf
>> > Of Cyndy Otty
>> > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 5:58 PM
>> > To: NAGDU
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] msnbc.com: Service dog turned away from local
>> > hotel
>> >
>> > Indiana law (*IC 16-32-3-2*) does state that trainers are granted the
>> > same
>> > access as a disabled person with their guide dog:
>> > http://www.ai.org/legislative/ic/code/title16/ar32/ch3.html
>> >
>> > On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Michael Hingson
>> > <info at michaelhingson.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> If the law includes dogs in training then the hotel is indeed wrong.
>> >> I will look into the wording on the law. Including dogs in training
>> >> is by no means universal within state laws.
>> >>
>> >> South West Airlines will not permit pets or dogs in training on its
>> >> flights even for a fee. Although puppy raisers are angry over the
>> >> South West policy the airline is not required to permit these animals
>> >> on flights especially since it contends that transporting several
>> >> animals in addition to those permitted today might cause undue delay
>> >> in boarding. SW contends that it has such a quick turn around that it
>> >> has had to adopt the existing policy.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Michael Hingson,
>> >> NSA
>> >> President,
>> >> The Michael Hingson Group
>> >> 84 Bahama Reef
>> >> Novato, CA 94949
>> >> Phone Direct number (415) 827-4084
>> >> Fax number (415) 883-6220
>> >> Mobile/Pager (888) 965-9191
>> >> Email
>> >> info at michaelhingson.com
>> >> <
>> >> mailto:
>> >> info at michaelhingson.com>
>> >> For information on Michael's speaking topics, his availability, and
>> >> his consulting services on Diversity and Access Technology for blind
>> >> persons please visit < http://www.michaelhingson.com> For information
>> >> on Guide Dogs for the Blind please visit < http://www.guidedogs.com>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >> Behalf Of cheryl echevarria
>> >> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 3:30 PM
>> >> To: nagdu
>> >> Subject: [nagdu] msnbc.com: Service dog turned away from local hotel
>> >>
>> >> Let me know if you are able to get his messaage.
>> >>
>> >> Service dog turned away from local hotel Emily Longnecker/Eyewitness
>> >> News http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27368805/from/ET/
>> >>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:59:28 -0700
>> From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service dog killed on Portland bus
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID:
>> <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAClzMlIk5BNEiyQIZUQSL03CgAAAEAAAAN7hZpPwrgRDgbtZxcJjPwQBAAAAAA==@michaelhingson.com>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am not sure about the larger dog, but under the trend of today's
>> policies
>> by mass transit agencies since the woman had a "note from her doctor" her
>> Pomeranian is allowed on the bus. The dog is not an assistance animal
>> under the specific definition of the ADA, but like with airlines there is
>> a
>> move to permit these animals to ride on busses and to be allowed into
>> public
>> housing.
>>
>> Let's not get into a long debate here on the philosophy. We have
>> discussed
>> it many times. Suffice it to say that as it now stands the little dog
>> was
>> legally allowed on the bus.
>>
>>
>> Michael Hingson,
>> NSA
>> President,
>> The Michael Hingson Group
>> 84 Bahama Reef
>> Novato, CA 94949
>> Phone Direct number (415) 827-4084
>> Fax number (415) 883-6220
>> Mobile/Pager (888) 965-9191
>> Email
>> info at michaelhingson.com
>> <
>> mailto:
>> info at michaelhingson.com>
>> For information on Michael's speaking topics, his availability, and his
>> consulting services on Diversity and Access Technology for blind persons
>> please
>> visit <
>> http://www.michaelhingson.com>
>> For information on Guide Dogs for the Blind please visit <
>> http://www.guidedogs.com>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Sam
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:38 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users;
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service dog killed on Portland bus
>>
>> Personally, I'm wondering why either one of them were on the bus?
>>
>> Sam
>>
>>
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Claude Everett" <ceverett at dslextreme.com
>> >To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >Date sent: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:31:22 -0700
>> >Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service dog killed on Portland bus
>>
>> >Just by reading the article the dog killed was a companion dog
>> not a real
>> >service dog. And*** what reason was the Rot wilder on the bus
>> for? was it
>> >a service animal?
>> >Regards,
>> >Claude Everett
>> >American by chance, Californian by choice.
>> >Everyone has a disability, some are more aware of it than others.
>> >"If we have learned one thing from the civil rights movement in
>> the united
>> >states, it is that when you let others speak for you, you lose."
>> >Ed Roberts
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf
>> >Of Jennie Facer
>> >Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:07 AM
>> >To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'
>> >Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service dog killed on Portland bus
>>
>> >That is really sad!
>>
>> >Jenn
>>
>> >TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf
>> >Of Ginger Kutsch
>> >Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:23 AM
>> >To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users
>> >Subject: [nagdu] Service dog killed on Portland bus
>>
>> >Service dog killed on Portland bus
>> >10/28/2008,
>> >The Associated Press
>> >http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/news-27/12251
>> 82546240560
>> >..xml&storylist=orlocal
>> >PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - TriMet, which increased security following
>> a series of
>> >high-profile assaults involving humans, is now faced with a
>> brutal case of
>> >dog-on-dog violence.
>>
>> >The attack happened late Sunday afternoon when Leroy Morley and
>> his 50-pound
>> >Rottweiler mix were walking toward the front of the bus to exit
>> in North
>> >Portland, said Peggy LaPoint, a spokeswoman for the mass transit
>> agency.
>>
>> >Marie Kelemen, the owner of the victim, said the bigger dog
>> neither growled
>> >nor barked before breaking the neck of Buddy, the 7-pound
>> Pomeranian that
>> >bled to death in her lap.
>>
>>
>> >Transit police responded to the scene. Morley was allowed to
>> leave, but has
>> >been barred from riding TriMet buses and trains for 30 days.
>>
>> >Kelemen, 59, of Portland said the penalty is not severe enough.
>> "It was
>> >horrible," she told The Oregonian newspaper. "It was terrible.
>> That's why 30
>> >days is ludicrous."
>>
>> >The Pomeranian was a service dog and therefore authorized to ride
>> the bus.
>> >The larger dog was not.
>>
>> >The case has been referred to Multnomah County Animal Services,
>> spokesman
>> >John Rowton said. "But we haven't seen the report, and we're
>> waiting for a
>> >copy of the video from the bus' surveillance camera."
>>
>> >TriMet's Web site states that service dogs are allowed to ride
>> buses and
>> >trains but must be kept on a leash or in a carrier. The
>> definition of a
>> >service dog is broad. According to the Americans with
>> Disabilities Act, a
>> >service animal can be "any guide dog, signal dog or other animal
>> >individually trained to provide assistance to an individual with
>> a
>> >disability."
>>
>> >Kelemen said she has a doctor's note that authorized Buddy to be
>> her
>> >companion dog. "He was such a nice little guy," she said. "It's
>> awfully
>> >quiet without him."
>>
>> >___
>>
>> >Information from: The Oregonian, http://www.oregonlive.com
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:52:19 -0400
>> From: "MS S TILLETT" <suetillett at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Assistance dogs now welcome at Birmingham airport
>> -
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <001001c9393f$11ceacd0$2e01a8c0 at diva>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> That is so totally obnocious. Why should they be any different from any
>> other airport? You shouldn't have to call for them to be ready for you.
>> They need to be ready for us every day! That's like the lawyer from
>> Lalo's Cafe saying that I should call the next time I am in New York so
>> they could be ready for me. That's ridiculous.
>>
>> Sue, and Wonder
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ginger Kutsch
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:09 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Assistance dogs now welcome at Birmingham airport -
>>
>>
>> Assistance Dogs Now Welcome At Birmingham Airport
>> Monday 27th October 2008
>> http://www.compare-airport-parking.co.uk/news/1244/Assistance-Dogs-No
>>
>> w-Welcome-At-Birmingham-Airport.html
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Birmingham Airport passengers that suffer from visual impairments will
>>
>> now be able to travel through the airport with greater ease after it
>> was
>>
>> announced that assistance dogs are welcome.
>>
>> The new rules are set to benefit those passengers with sight problems
>> as
>>
>> they will be able to travel through the whole airport with the
>> assistance of
>>
>> their dog. The One Complete Solution (OCS) group that are already
>>
>> responsible for caring for passengers with mobility problems at the
>> airport
>>
>> will take charge of the new process.
>>
>> The reasons behind the new rules are due to a recent piece of EU
>>
>> legislation that now permits guide dogs to be allowed on flights on a
>>
>> number of routes. This new rule is set to greatly enhance the
>> experience of
>>
>> passing through the airport for those passengers with sight problems.
>>
>> When passenger with a guide dog arrive at the airport the vacination
>>
>> history of the canine will be checked and additional assistance will be
>>
>> provided for guide dogs and thir owners who will be met and taken
>>
>> through the airport terminal upon arrival by a member of staff.
>>
>> Speaking about the new regulations was John Morris, Head of Corporate
>>
>> Affairs who said;
>>
>> "Being able to welcome assistance dogs here will make it even easier
>> for
>>
>> those with visual impairments to use the Midlands' premier airport. The
>>
>> Airport team has worked with a number of partners to make this project
>> a
>>
>> success and we look forward to welcoming many more assistance dogs
>>
>> through Birmingham in the coming months."
>>
>> The airport does request that those passengers who are to be travelling
>>
>> with a guide or assistance dog contact the airline or tour operator
>> before
>>
>> they travel to ensure the correct procedures are in place to deal with
>> their
>>
>> visit.
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Published by: Jon Vickery
>>
>>
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:02:37 -0600
>> From: "Jennie Facer" <puppya at clearwire.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A Question of Philosophy
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <00b901c93948$e507ec20$af17c460$@net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Thanks Angie. I really enjoyed that. You are right, it did make the
>> point
>> very well.
>>
>> Jenn
>>
>> TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Angie Matney
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:42 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] A Question of Philosophy
>>
>> Here's an excerpt from Love in the Lead that makes the point:
>>
>> Before he left Vevey, two experiences completed his conversion
>> to
>> a religious faith in Buddy. The first appeared on a sunken road leading
>> up
>> from the funicular to Fortunate Fields. Ahead of him he heard galloping
>> hoofs and clattering wheels
>> bearing down at a breakneck speed. For just an instant, Buddy paused,
>> then
>> wheeled right and pulled him off the road up a steep embankment. The
>> harness handle seemed to be rising nearly over his head, but he hung on
>> tight and stumbled up
>> after her. He reached the top only moments before a pair of runaway
>> horses
>> dragging a heavy peasant cart thundered by. Jack Humphrey, who saw it
>> all,
>> was too far behind to come to the rescue. Buddy had done it all on her
>> own.
>> The second experience was far less dramatic, even prosaic.
>> Morris
>> was sitting in the drawing room before lunch listening to Mrs. Eustis
>> playing one of the grand pianos.
>> "I need a haircut," he mused, fingering the hair above his
>> ears.
>> "Do you think Mr. Eustis could take me down to the barber shop this
>> afternoon?"
>> The piano paused. "You have Buddy, Morris," Mrs. Eustis
>> suggested. 'Why don't you go with her?"
>> Why didn't he go with her? The thought was staggering. It was
>> a
>> long moment before he could take it in. He could go with Buddy. He
>> didn't
>> have to depend on a human guide, wait until it suited his convenience and
>> feel obligated for the
>> favor afterwards. He could go with Buddy, who would ask no thanks beyond
>> the "Atta good girls" that were becoming second nature and who would feel
>> proud and happy at the opportunity to work.
>> After lunch, Morris harnessed Buddy and headed for the
>> funicular.
>> In Vevey they threaded their way to the barber shop and returned. The
>> trip
>> had none of the thrill of a narrow escape from runaway horses, but its
>> meaning was far more
>> exciting to Morris. A runaway team comes once in a lifetime. Haircuts
>> come
>> every few weeks. Nothing could be more ordinary. That is the reason why
>> it
>> is so hard to get a human guide to take a blind man for a haircut.
>> Family
>> and friends will be
>> generous on important occasions. It is the ordinary prosaic little
>> chores,
>> the trips to the barber shop or post office, the purchase of shoelaces or
>> tooth paste that can be most frustrating by reason of their very
>> simplicity.
>> Late that afternoon, sitting alone on the terrace overlooking
>> the
>> lake, Morris began to laugh. He couldn't stop. The more he tried, the
>> harder he laughed. Mrs. Eustis overheard him and came out to find him
>> alone, laughing as she had never
>> heard him laugh before.
>> "What in the world is the matter?"
>> It took Morris a moment to control himself. Then he explained.
>> "At home in Nashville getting my hair cut was a major event. Some days
>> Father would drop me off at the barber shop on his way to work and leave
>> me
>> there until he could pick
>> me up on his way home to lunch. Today Buddy took me to get my hair cut.
>> For the first time in four years, I'm free. That's why I'm laughing.
>> Because I'm free, by God. I'm free!"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 16
>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:26:09 -0700
>> From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Assistance dogs now welcome at Birmingham airport
>> -
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID:
>> <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAClzMlIk5BNEiyQIZUQSL03CgAAAEAAAALmh5EK3o/tHlLWZsO6PK8oBAAAAAA==@michaelhingson.com>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Although we may not agree with the policy we are here dealing with a
>> different country. The fact is that there are entrance and importation
>> procedures which we ALL must follow when going into England.
>>
>> I regard this as a positive move since now another airport is open to us
>> in
>> that country. While we may not like the process please remember that
>> England has no rabies and they want to keep it that way.
>>
>>
>> Michael Hingson,
>> NSA
>> President,
>> The Michael Hingson Group
>> 84 Bahama Reef
>> Novato, CA 94949
>> Phone Direct number (415) 827-4084
>> Fax number (415) 883-6220
>> Mobile/Pager (888) 965-9191
>> Email
>> info at michaelhingson.com
>> <
>> mailto:
>> info at michaelhingson.com>
>> For information on Michael's speaking topics, his availability, and his
>> consulting services on Diversity and Access Technology for blind persons
>> please
>> visit <
>> http://www.michaelhingson.com>
>> For information on Guide Dogs for the Blind please visit <
>> http://www.guidedogs.com>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of MS S TILLETT
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:52 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Assistance dogs now welcome at Birmingham airport -
>>
>> That is so totally obnocious. Why should they be any different from any
>> other airport? You shouldn't have to call for them to be ready for you.
>> They need to be ready for us every day! That's like the lawyer from
>> Lalo's
>> Cafe saying that I should call the next time I am in New York so they
>> could
>> be ready for me. That's ridiculous.
>>
>> Sue, and Wonder
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ginger Kutsch
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:09 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Assistance dogs now welcome at Birmingham airport -
>>
>>
>> Assistance Dogs Now Welcome At Birmingham Airport
>> Monday 27th October 2008
>> http://www.compare-airport-parking.co.uk/news/1244/Assistance-Dogs-No
>>
>> w-Welcome-At-Birmingham-Airport.html
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ----
>>
>> Birmingham Airport passengers that suffer from visual impairments will
>>
>> now be able to travel through the airport with greater ease after it
>> was
>>
>> announced that assistance dogs are welcome.
>>
>> The new rules are set to benefit those passengers with sight problems
>> as
>>
>> they will be able to travel through the whole airport with the
>> assistance
>> of
>>
>> their dog. The One Complete Solution (OCS) group that are already
>>
>> responsible for caring for passengers with mobility problems at the
>> airport
>>
>> will take charge of the new process.
>>
>> The reasons behind the new rules are due to a recent piece of EU
>>
>> legislation that now permits guide dogs to be allowed on flights on a
>>
>> number of routes. This new rule is set to greatly enhance the
>> experience
>> of
>>
>> passing through the airport for those passengers with sight problems.
>>
>> When passenger with a guide dog arrive at the airport the vacination
>>
>> history of the canine will be checked and additional assistance will be
>>
>> provided for guide dogs and thir owners who will be met and taken
>>
>> through the airport terminal upon arrival by a member of staff.
>>
>> Speaking about the new regulations was John Morris, Head of Corporate
>>
>> Affairs who said;
>>
>> "Being able to welcome assistance dogs here will make it even easier
>> for
>>
>> those with visual impairments to use the Midlands' premier airport. The
>>
>> Airport team has worked with a number of partners to make this project
>> a
>>
>> success and we look forward to welcoming many more assistance dogs
>>
>> through Birmingham in the coming months."
>>
>> The airport does request that those passengers who are to be travelling
>>
>> with a guide or assistance dog contact the airline or tour operator
>> before
>>
>>
>> they travel to ensure the correct procedures are in place to deal with
>> their
>>
>> visit.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ----
>>
>> Published by: Jon Vickery
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 17
>> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:33:35 -0700
>> From: "Mardi Hadfield" <wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service dog killed on a bus
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID:
>> <9023d1d70810281833p718074b0wdcd7f6a86d387f2d at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Hi every one, I can not believe that the authorities let the owner of
>> the
>> dog that killed the other small dog,get away with just not riding the bus
>> or
>> train for 30 days. This dog killed! It could have been a small child and
>> next time it might be. Once a dog has killed another animal ,they can
>> never
>> be trusted not to do it again. I have had experience with this as at one
>> time in my life I was an animal control officer. I delt with dogs that
>> had
>> killed other animals, and the law in Connecticut at that time was that a
>> killer dog had to be euthanized. Several of my guide dogs have been
>> attacked and one injured very badly. I do fear that some time it could
>> happen again. The animal control here in Tucson ,has never done any thing
>> about the attacks on my dogs. I have ridden on the bus with dogs that
>> were
>> being passed off as service dogs ,and were not even on a leash. I have
>> also
>> had other service dogs growl at my dog. I had a guide dog from GDB
>> attack
>> my dog at a bus stop and the owner told the bus driver ,that my dog
>> started
>> it ,which was not true,but I was refused the ride on the bus. This was
>> before I was legally blind, but my dog was a service dog. I could see
>> this
>> man crossing the street with a guide dog pulling him and he could not
>> controll his dog. It was heading right for my dog ,so I pulled my dog up
>> into my lap(Iwas sitting in a wheelchair) and the guide dog leaped on my
>> dog
>> as the bus pulled up and stopped. The man pulled his dog off mine and
>> proceded to board the bus. The driver put the lift down for me and I got
>> on
>> the lift with my dog and then the driver refused to bring the lift up so
>> I
>> could get on the bus. I was informed that vicious dogs were not alloud to
>> ride the bus.Needless to say, I was angry , but every one took the side
>> of
>> the owner of the guide dog. I had several other encounters with this same
>> dog and owner.I even called GDB and complained about this man and his dog
>> and was told there was nothing they could do. So much for that. It has
>> been
>> about 6 or 7 years since I have even seen this dog, so I hope I never
>> encounter them again. I have always made sure that my dogs have been
>> trained
>> to not ever growl or show any agression towards any other dog or person
>> and
>> they never have. It is too bad that some others don't take the time to do
>> this . If I could not controll my dog, or my dog acted up in public, I
>> would
>> not take it out in public again untill the problem was solved. I have
>> been
>> complimented many times on my dogs being so well behaved. and how well
>> they
>> do their job. I take pride in my dogs and feel that because they are
>> service
>> dogs, that they must be held to a certain standard, that a pet dog is not
>> held to. I would hope that other people with service dogs would do the
>> same
>> ,but I guess this is not always the case. My dog is with me to do a
>> job,not
>> to keep me company! I some times wonder about some of these service dogs
>> that I encounter. Food for thought............Mardi,and Nala,retired,
>> Wanagi,gdit and Tokala, gdit.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 18
>> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:21:02 -0600
>> From: "melissa R. Green" <graduate56 at juno.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] msnbc.com: Service dog turned away from local
>> hotel
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <012e01c9398e$84e550d0$8eaff270$@com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> I happen to agree with you Julie.
>> There is a woman on campus here that uses two huskys as her service dogs.
>> One
>> is in front of her and the other is always behind her. She says that
>> they help
>> her with her paranoia.
>> However, with that said, I also agree that education is needed. I think
>> that
>> the hard thing is that there isn't a real definition of a service animal.
>> Then
>> there are those that abuse the law in some way or another.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Melissa R. Green
>> If you get a second chance, grab it with both hands. ?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of
>> Julie J.
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:47 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] msnbc.com: Service dog turned away from local hotel
>>
>> I think it also depends on your interpretation of the service dog in
>> training laws. Personally, I don't think the law is meant to be
>> interpreted
>> that the dog in training can go anywhere, anytime as long as the trainer
>> accompanies the dog. My personal belief is that there needs to be some
>> training going on. I don't know what sort of training would be taking
>> place in a hotel after the first bit. Really would it take days and days
>> to
>> teach the dog about hotel etiquette? I think that too often the service
>> dog
>> in training laws are used for the convenience factor and not the training
>> factor.
>>
>> JMHO
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> > http://www.guidedogs.com>
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> > Behalf
>> > Of Cyndy Otty
>> > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 5:58 PM
>> > To: NAGDU
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] msnbc.com: Service dog turned away from local
>> > hotel
>> >
>> > Indiana law (*IC 16-32-3-2*) does state that trainers are granted the
>> > same
>> > access as a disabled person with their guide dog:
>> > http://www.ai.org/legislative/ic/code/title16/ar32/ch3.html
>> >
>> > On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Michael Hingson
>> > <info at michaelhingson.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> If the law includes dogs in training then the hotel is indeed wrong.
>> >> I will look into the wording on the law. Including dogs in training
>> >> is by no means universal within state laws.
>> >>
>> >> South West Airlines will not permit pets or dogs in training on its
>> >> flights even for a fee. Although puppy raisers are angry over the
>> >> South West policy the airline is not required to permit these animals
>> >> on flights especially since it contends that transporting several
>> >> animals in addition to those permitted today might cause undue delay
>> >> in boarding. SW contends that it has such a quick turn around that it
>> >> has had to adopt the existing policy.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Michael Hingson,
>> >> NSA
>> >> President,
>> >> The Michael Hingson Group
>> >> 84 Bahama Reef
>> >> Novato, CA 94949
>> >> Phone Direct number (415) 827-4084
>> >> Fax number (415) 883-6220
>> >> Mobile/Pager (888) 965-9191
>> >> Email
>> >> info at michaelhingson.com
>> >> <
>> >> mailto:
>> >> info at michaelhingson.com>
>> >> For information on Michael's speaking topics, his availability, and
>> >> his consulting services on Diversity and Access Technology for blind
>> >> persons please visit < http://www.michaelhingson.com> For information
>> >> on Guide Dogs for the Blind please visit < http://www.guidedogs.com>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >> Behalf Of cheryl echevarria
>> >> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 3:30 PM
>> >> To: nagdu
>> >> Subject: [nagdu] msnbc.com: Service dog turned away from local hotel
>> >>
>> >> Let me know if you are able to get his messaage.
>> >>
>> >> Service dog turned away from local hotel Emily Longnecker/Eyewitness
>> >> News http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27368805/from/ET/
>> >>
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>> Message: 19
>> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:29:46 -0400
>> From: "Ginger Kutsch" <gingerkutsch at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [nagdu] Service animals take their spot on Portland buses
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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>> Service animals take their spot on Portland buses
>> 10/29/2008, 1:02 a.m. PDTThe Associated Press
>> http://www.oregonlive.com:80/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/sports-6/
>>
>> 1225267742210400.xml&storylist=orlocal
>> PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - The term "service animal" tends to conjure an
>>
>> image of a guide dog that assists the blind.
>>
>> But the definition is much broader, according to TriMet, the Portland
>> area
>>
>> mass transit agency that sees all types of animals on its buses and
>> trains.
>>
>> Spokeswoman Peggy LaPoint says "all animals" can be service animals.
>>
>> "It could be a goat, not that we've ever seen a goat," she said. "But
>> there
>>
>> have been rabbits. There have been cats. There have been, I imagine,
>>
>> rodents."
>>
>> On Sunday, the animals were a 50-pound Rottweiler mix named Max and a
>>
>> 7-pound Pomeranian named Buddy. As he and his owner were making
>>
>> their way off the bus, Max attacked and killed Buddy, leaving the little
>> dog
>>
>> to bleed to death on his owner's lap.
>>
>> Max was on a leash. That would have been fine for a service dog, which is
>>
>> how the owner described Max to the driver when boarding. But it's not
>>
>> OK for a pet, which is what Max is, owner Leroy Morley confessed when
>>
>> later confronted by transit police.
>>
>> Police cited Morley for bringing a nonservice dog on the bus, and banned
>>
>> him from riding TriMet buses and trains for 30 days.
>>
>> The Americans With Disabilities Act says any "animal individually trained
>>
>> to provide assistance to an individual with a disability" is a service
>> animal.
>>
>> All drivers do is ask boarding riders if their leashed companions are
>>
>> service animals. If the riders say yes, it's not TriMet's place to deem
>> the
>>
>> animal unserviceable, LaPoint said.
>>
>> Though the Rottweiler was not really a service dog, the woman who owned
>>
>> the Pomeranian had a doctor's note saying her dog did provide a service -
>>
>> mostly social interaction. Buddy's 59-year-old owner has hip and back
>>
>> problems, and the doctor wrote that a companion would help.
>>
>> Whether dogs that offer love and comfort are true service animals "is a
>> big
>>
>> debate, even in the community of people who are blind or disabled," said
>>
>> Joanne Ritter, spokeswoman for Guide Dogs for the Blind, which has
>>
>> campuses in California and Oregon.
>>
>> Some say only training makes a service animal. Animals, however, can help
>>
>> some socially isolated or mentally troubled people function better.
>>
>> TriMet keeps no statistics on animal ridership. But Kae Seth, the
>> president
>>
>> of Guide Dog Users of Oregon, says she increasingly encounters "people
>>
>> who try to stretch the letter of the law" to get their pets into buses
>> and
>>
>> businesses. Some disabled people worry there will be a backlash against
>> all
>>
>> animals if too many people start stretching the rules.
>>
>> ___
>>
>> Information from: The Oregonian, http://www.oregonlive.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 20
>> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 06:36:46 -0400
>> From: "Ginger Kutsch" <gingerkutsch at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [nagdu] The definition of service animals grows
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <003b01c939b2$3e9abce0$3537a8c0 at tse.local>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> The definition of service animals grows to include animals that provide
>> companionship to their owners
>> by Andy Dworkin, The Oregonian
>> Tuesday October 28, 2008, 7:48 PM
>> http://www.oregonlive.com:80/news/index.ssf/2008/10/the_definition_of_service_anim.html
>>
>> Kae Seth wasn't surprised to read that bus passenger Leroy Morley passed
>> off his pet Rottweiler mix, Max, as a service dog. The president of Guide
>> Dog Users of Oregon says she increasingly encounters "people who try to
>> stretch the letter of the law" to get their pets into buses and
>> businesses.
>>
>> Peggy LaPoint wasn't surprised to hear that Marie Kelemen's service dog,
>> Buddy, was a powder puff of a Pomeranian. The TriMet spokeswoman has
>> heard of "service animals" ranging from big dogs to bunnies on Portland's
>> trains and buses.
>>
>> "All animals" can be service animals, LaPoint said. "It could be a goat,
>> not that we've ever seen a goat. But there have been rabbits. There have
>> been cats. There have been, I imagine, rodents."
>>
>> And it's no surprise Max and Buddy tangled on the No. 75 bus Sunday.
>> Guide dog owners are used to other dogs sniffing, barking, nipping and
>> otherwise engaging their animals. "Dogs are dogs," said Joanne Ritter,
>> spokeswoman for Guide Dogs for the Blind, which has campuses in
>> California and Oregon.
>>
>> The only shocking thing about the canine encounter was its brutal finish:
>> One quick bite as Max exited the bus left Buddy bleeding to death on
>> Kelemen's lap.
>>
>> Max was on a leash when he bit Buddy. That would have been fine for a
>> service dog, which is what Morley told the bus driver Max was, but not
>> for a pet like Max.
>>
>> "All animals need to be in a carrier, except (service) cats, rabbits,
>> dogs and monkeys," LaPoint said. "They need to be on a leash."
>>
>> But it's not the job of TriMet workers to decide which animals should be
>> contained, LaPoint said. The Americans With Disabilities Act says any
>> "animal individually trained to provide assistance to an individual with
>> a disability" is a service animal. All drivers do is ask boarding riders
>> if their leashed companions are service animals, LaPoint said. If the
>> riders say yes, it's not TriMet's place to deem the animal unserviceable.
>>
>> What about little Buddy? What service can a 7-pound Pomeranian provide?
>> Kelemen has hip and back problems. But Buddy mainly offered social
>> interaction. A doctor wrote a note on a prescription pad saying a
>> companion would help the 59-year-old.
>>
>> Whether dogs that mostly love and comfort are true service animals "is a
>> big debate, even in the community of people who are blind or disabled,"
>> Ritter said. Some say companionship is the essence of a pet, but only
>> training makes a service animal. Still, animals can help some socially
>> isolated or mentally troubled people function better.
>>
>> TriMet keeps no data on animal ridership. But Seth thinks it's
>> increasingly common for dogs whose main purpose is companionship -- not
>> guiding the blind or opening doors -- to be taken into businesses as
>> service animals.
>>
>> People who spent decades fighting for access for dogs helping the blind
>> and disabled sometimes worry that folks stretching the law will cause a
>> backlash. But a bigger problem for the blind and disabled is interference
>> from other dogs, either companion animals or pets. What seems like a
>> friendly sniffing session can make a blind person miss a meeting or bus,
>> Ritter said.
>>
>> "You've just stopped me in my tracks," she said, "and I can't move
>> forward until your dog moves out of the way."
>>
>>
>> -- Andy Dworkin; andydworkin at news.oregonian.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 21
>> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:18:45 -0400
>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Assistance dogs now welcome at Birmingham airport
>> -
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <52B67E1F32707847B44B4B7B1238E36315410336 at xmbv3801>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> I think this is more of a British thing.
>> It isn't right, mind you, just seems to be the way things are done over
>> there.
>> When I was in Great Britain for a youth exchange, I found the general
>> attitude to be very paternalistic.
>> I loved being over there, I learned a whole heck of a lot, though I did
>> find the attitude of people in the transportation industry as well as in
>> other areas to be very paternalistic.
>> Any Brits want to weigh in on this one?
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of MS S TILLETT
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:52 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Assistance dogs now welcome at Birmingham airport -
>>
>> That is so totally obnocious. Why should they be any different from any
>> other airport? You shouldn't have to call for them to be ready for you.
>> They need to be ready for us every day! That's like the lawyer from
>> Lalo's Cafe saying that I should call the next time I am in New York so
>> they could be ready for me. That's ridiculous.
>>
>> Sue, and Wonder
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ginger Kutsch
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:09 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Assistance dogs now welcome at Birmingham airport -
>>
>>
>> Assistance Dogs Now Welcome At Birmingham Airport
>> Monday 27th October 2008
>> http://www.compare-airport-parking.co.uk/news/1244/Assistance-Dogs-No
>>
>> w-Welcome-At-Birmingham-Airport.html
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------
>>
>> Birmingham Airport passengers that suffer from visual impairments will
>>
>>
>> now be able to travel through the airport with greater ease after it
>> was
>>
>> announced that assistance dogs are welcome.
>>
>> The new rules are set to benefit those passengers with sight problems
>> as
>>
>> they will be able to travel through the whole airport with the
>> assistance of
>>
>> their dog. The One Complete Solution (OCS) group that are already
>>
>> responsible for caring for passengers with mobility problems at the
>> airport
>>
>> will take charge of the new process.
>>
>> The reasons behind the new rules are due to a recent piece of EU
>>
>> legislation that now permits guide dogs to be allowed on flights on a
>>
>> number of routes. This new rule is set to greatly enhance the
>> experience of
>>
>> passing through the airport for those passengers with sight problems.
>>
>> When passenger with a guide dog arrive at the airport the vacination
>>
>> history of the canine will be checked and additional assistance will
>> be
>>
>> provided for guide dogs and thir owners who will be met and taken
>>
>> through the airport terminal upon arrival by a member of staff.
>>
>> Speaking about the new regulations was John Morris, Head of Corporate
>>
>> Affairs who said;
>>
>> "Being able to welcome assistance dogs here will make it even easier
>> for
>>
>> those with visual impairments to use the Midlands' premier airport.
>> The
>>
>> Airport team has worked with a number of partners to make this project
>> a
>>
>> success and we look forward to welcoming many more assistance dogs
>>
>> through Birmingham in the coming months."
>>
>> The airport does request that those passengers who are to be
>> travelling
>>
>> with a guide or assistance dog contact the airline or tour operator
>> before
>>
>> they travel to ensure the correct procedures are in place to deal with
>> their
>>
>> visit.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------
>>
>> Published by: Jon Vickery
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 22
>> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:02:16 -0400
>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M." <Rebecca.Pickrell at ngc.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Assistance dogs now welcome at Birmingham airport
>> -
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <52B67E1F32707847B44B4B7B1238E36315410340 at xmbv3801>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> The United Kingdom.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Julie J.
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:35 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Assistance dogs now welcome at Birmingham airport -
>>
>> What country is this airport in?
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ginger Kutsch" <gingerkutsch at yahoo.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:09 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Assistance dogs now welcome at Birmingham airport -
>>
>>
>> > Assistance Dogs Now Welcome At Birmingham Airport
>> > Monday 27th October 2008
>> > http://www.compare-airport-parking.co.uk/news/1244/Assistance-Dogs-No
>> >
>> > w-Welcome-At-Birmingham-Airport.html
>> >
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------
>> >
>> > Birmingham Airport passengers that suffer from visual impairments will
>> >
>> > now be able to travel through the airport with greater ease after it
>> was
>> >
>> > announced that assistance dogs are welcome.
>> >
>> > The new rules are set to benefit those passengers with sight problems
>> as
>> >
>> > they will be able to travel through the whole airport with the
>> assistance
>> > of
>> >
>> > their dog. The One Complete Solution (OCS) group that are already
>> >
>> > responsible for caring for passengers with mobility problems at the
>> > airport
>> >
>> > will take charge of the new process.
>> >
>> > The reasons behind the new rules are due to a recent piece of EU
>> >
>> > legislation that now permits guide dogs to be allowed on flights on a
>> >
>> > number of routes. This new rule is set to greatly enhance the
>> experience
>> > of
>> >
>> > passing through the airport for those passengers with sight problems.
>> >
>> > When passenger with a guide dog arrive at the airport the vacination
>> >
>> > history of the canine will be checked and additional assistance will
>> be
>> >
>> > provided for guide dogs and thir owners who will be met and taken
>> >
>> > through the airport terminal upon arrival by a member of staff.
>> >
>> > Speaking about the new regulations was John Morris, Head of Corporate
>> >
>> > Affairs who said;
>> >
>> > "Being able to welcome assistance dogs here will make it even easier
>> for
>> >
>> > those with visual impairments to use the Midlands' premier airport.
>> The
>> >
>> > Airport team has worked with a number of partners to make this project
>> a
>> >
>> > success and we look forward to welcoming many more assistance dogs
>> >
>> > through Birmingham in the coming months."
>> >
>> > The airport does request that those passengers who are to be
>> travelling
>> >
>> > with a guide or assistance dog contact the airline or tour operator
>> before
>> >
>> > they travel to ensure the correct procedures are in place to deal with
>>
>> > their
>> >
>> > visit.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------
>> >
>> > Published by: Jon Vickery
>> >
>> >
>> >
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