[nagdu] guiding eyes application question

[JULIE PHILLIPSON]

Marion anytime you go to a doctor you are asked for health insurance 
information.  If you should need to see a doctor during training I would 
think it would be helpful to have this information in your file.  Let me 
give you an example because this was a real situation when I was in training 
for my second dog.  We were all out for dinner one evening and I was sitting 
next to an older gentleman in the class.  After a while  it came time for 
desert and he was talking quite reasonably to someone, but what he was 
saying just wasn't right.  He ordered more spaghetti for desert.  I then was 
talking to him and I could tell he wasn't even hearing me.  I got the 
instructors attention and said I think something is wrong and we need to go. 
He got the gentleman out to the van and I got in with him while the rest of 
the class got ready to go.  Once the rest of us were back to the school the 
instructor took him to the hospital.  It turned out that he was having a 
stroke.  He was not in any condition to have given his health insurance 
information and many times doctors will not treat someone before they have 
that information.  You may see that as being paternalistic but I would 
rather they have that information up front rather then wait for an emergency 
situation to develop.  A lot of folks who are diabetic are in every class 
and like it or not sometimes things happen.  In my first class one guy was 
diabetic and had very pour control of his sugar levels mostly because he 
just didn't take care of himself.  We need to realize that health conditions 
do happen and not everyone is super healthy.
Julie Phillipson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2009 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] guiding eyes application question


> Dear All,
>    I find this exchange very interesting. Why do they need to know this 
> information? I would like to know if other schools ask for it and the 
> purpose for the need to know. Does this sound a little paternalistic? How 
> does underlying beliefs about the capacities of blind people get 
> transmitted by some of the guide dog school's policies and practices. Do 
> you also find it interesting that these attitudes and beliefs about our 
> capabilities are manifested in paternalistic, custodial ownership 
> policies? Need we connect the dots?
>
> Fraternally,
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "JULIE PHILLIPSON" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guiding eyes application question
>
>
>> hmm, I don't know but I would suppose it is for health insurance reasons 
>> so they know who your provider is.
>>
>> Julie Phillipson
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Sarah" <sarahandfamily at live.com>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 8:50 PM
>> Subject: [nagdu] guiding eyes application question
>>
>>
>>>    hello. Is there a reason guiding eyes requires the name of your 
>>> insurance provider and the policy number on the application for first 
>>> time appplicants?
>>>    Sarah
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