[nagdu] NAGDU and the Policy on Ownership

Mon Apr 27 09:27:37 UTC 2009

Tina,
    First of all, I think it would be an excellent idea for the NFB of 
california, through it's CAGDU division, to introduce a resolution 
concerning the Board of Guide Dog Schools. I also think it would be an 
excellent article for harness Up and the Braille Monitor.
    Though it is true that blind people have the choice of which school to 
attend, it may not necessarily be true that they realize there is such a 
choice. Furthermore, when guide dog schools don't communicate changes in 
ownership policies with the consumer organizations - such as Leader failed 
to do when they changed their policy - how does this reflect upon them? If 
the policy were sound, why did they fail to tell us (NAGDU) about the change 
in policy when giving their reports during our meetings. Additionally, from 
what at least two other graduates have told me, not only was the issue of 
ownership not shared until well into training, Leader asserts that this is 
the way most guide dog schools are going. Leader can demonstrate their 
regressive, paternalistic way of thinking, but they shouldn't misrepresent 
other schools to justify their position.

Fraternally,
Marion


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "tina thomas " <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] NAGDU and the Policy on Ownership


>
> I do believe that ownership should be granted upon graduation. However, I
> don't believe we need a resolution to say so. People who apply to guide 
> dog
> schools  know their policies and they sign a contract. Bottom line is that
> dog  users have a choice and we can choose not to go to a guide dog school
> that doesn't give ownership. As for guide dog users in California, 
> ownership
> is not  our first priority being that we have a guide dog  board that is
> telling out of state guide dog schools that they can not come and work 
> with
> graduates who reside in California without jumping through a bunch of 
> hoops.
> As of right now, I can say, I would not be in favor of a resolution on
> ownership policy. We in California have bigger fish to fry.
> JMO.
> Tina
> JMO
>
> "Trust your own instinct. Your mistakes might as well be your own instead 
> of
> someone else's."
> - Billy Wilder
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Angie Matney
> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 9:52 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NAGDU and the Policy on Ownership
>
> Would those of you with dogs from Leader, GEB, GDB, and other schools that
> don't grant immediate ownership have a problem with a resolution 
> encouraging
> the schools to reconsider these policies and to find ways to promote
> self-determination for their students? I'm just curious. A resolution
> doesn't have to state that all NFB members will only attend schools that
> grant immediate ownership of the dog at graduation.
>
> I ask because if we came up with a resolution that urged Seeing Eye to
> reconsider some policy in light of consumer preference, I could 
> potentially
> support it, even though I plan to get all my future dogs from that school.
>
> Angie
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sherri
> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 12:07 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NAGDU and the Policy on Ownership
>
> Joining the minority view, I agree. I was very pleased with my training
> experience at Leader and though having ownership does carry some weight 
> and
> at the time I went to Leader, which was 2004, I owned my dog, I will
> probably go back there for my next guide dog.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sblanjones11" <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 9:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NAGDU and the Policy on Ownership
>
>
>> Marion,
>> What's wrong with leaving it up to personal preference?
>> Why must everybody be forced to embrace the majority opinion as policy?
>> Look what happened with the issue of dogs and our training centers.  I
>> believe, as I expressed at the time, the NFB was not well served by
>> forcing this issue.
>> JMHO.
>> Susan
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Marion & Martin
>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 10:05 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] NAGDU and the Policy on Ownership
>>
>> Susan,
>>    Perhaps I misspoke about it being "policy". Interviews are pretty
>> spontaneous and sometimes words don't come out the exact way they should.
>> Perhaps, though, we should introduce a resolution to let the
>> convention of the NFB decide this issue. What do the other members think?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "sblanjones11" <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Marion with Joe Ruffalo on ThruOurEyes.org
>>
>>
>>> Vincent, THANKS SO MUCH FOR POSTING THE LINK!
>>> I just finished listening, and thoroughly enjoyed the show.
>>>
>>> The one thing I would take issue with, Marion, is that we, as a
>>> division, all believe immediate ownership is the best policy.
>>> Correct me, please, if I'm wrong, but I don't remember that we ever
>>> voted on that as policy.
>>>
>>> I think ownership is very important, but I personally would not put
>>> it at the top of my list for considering a guide dog school.
>>> JMHO.
>>> Susan & Rhoda
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Vincent Chaney
>>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 12:41 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Joe Ruffalo
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Marion with Joe Ruffalo on ThruOurEyes.org
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> The Podcast is now available on the ThruOurEyes Web Site. A short cut
>>> link to the page is given by Quintina but I will include it again.
>>>
>>> http://www.thruoureyes.org/jaws.html
>>>
>>> The next link to pick is:
>>> To listen to CURRENT podcasts using our JAWS friendly page Click Here
>>>
>>> The second header for the JAWS and Windoweyes users is what to look for.
>>> The
>>> header is titled 122 - ThruOurEyes with Joe Ruffalo
>>>
>>> This above link will actually launch/start the Podcast on your computer.
>>> To download the show, i.e. to save the show as a MP3 file, you would
>>> place the JAWS/WindowEyes cursor over the link. Then manually do a
>>> right-mouse click. The next is to choose the File Save As, pick a
>>> place to put the file so you can find it Then bring your focus to
>>> that folder and highlight the file and hit enter.
>>> This will start your Windows Media, Quick Time, etc. If nothing
>>> starts, you may have to start the Windows Media and do a File Open
>>> (Control O).
>>> Navigate
>>> yourself through the Windows Tree structure to the file you just
>>> downloaded and press enter.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately if none of these work, your choice may be to click on
>>> the link and listen anytime you want to hear it on your computer only.
>>>
>>> Take a look around the Web Site as you'll likely find many other
>>> archived shows that you will like.
>>> http://www.thruoureyes.org
>>>
>>> Vince
>>> Vincent Chaney, NFBNJ Diabetes Division President NJAGDU Committee
>>> Coe-Chair Lead
>>>
>>>
>>> Message -----
>>> From: "Quintina M. Singleton" <qmsingleton at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Marion with Joe Ruffalo on ThruOurEyes.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Podcasts are available 24 to 48 hours after broadcast. They can be
>>> found on our podcast
>>>
>>> or archive podcast pages.
>>>
>>> The link is www.Thruoureyes.org/jaws.html
>>>
>>> The Thruoureyes editor told me that he would be working on last
>>> night's show this  afternoon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Quintina
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "sblanjones11" <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:09 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Marion with Joe Ruffalo on ThruOurEyes.org
>>>
>>>
>>>>I went onto the Through our Eyes website, and was unable to find the
>>>>right  podcast.
>>>> Is there any way we could get an exact link, or a clue , for
>>>>example,  steps,  as to how to get there?
>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I would love to listen!
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Susan & Rhoda
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Vincent Chaney
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:50 PM
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Joe Ruffalo
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Marion with Joe Ruffalo on ThruOurEyes.org
>>>>
>>>> Marion and Joe,
>>>>
>>>> You both did a fabulous job on the Internet Radio Show this evening.
>>>> Marion,
>>>> the details and descriptions of your working with 3 Guide Dogs, your
>>>> knowledge and background on the philosophy of the NFB and GDU
>>>> support since you joined in 1985 or 1987 was a good knowledge point
>>>> to share for the NFB support and welcoming Guide Dog User partners
>>>> into the NFB. The description of the purpose and goals of NAGDU were
>>>> uplifting and positively stated.
>>>> You
>>>> and Joe commented on the formation of the NFBNJ committee, NJAGDU.
>>>> We, from the committee, are building a NFBNJ state advocacy team and
>>>> thank you for joining us this past Sunday for our monthly meeting as
>>>> the NAGDU President.
>>>> You added a personal touch on your working with your dogs and how,
>>>> why or when you choose to travel via a cane, sighted guide or
>>>> another method.
>>>> These
>>>> points are very good especially for first time Guide Dog Users and
>>>> good to hear as old timers that we do similar methods in working
>>>> with our four legged partners.
>>>> I look forward to your next visit to the ThruOurEyes radio and
>>>> future topics you may share with everyone. For anyone who may have
>>>> missed the live broadcast, the shows are available as a Podcast or
>>>> through the archive link on www.thruoureyes.org. If this works, the
>>>> link is:
>>>> http://www.thruoureyes.org and will be there in a day or two.
>>>> As you have shared on a very difficult time now for you and your
>>>> wife, my heart goes out to Merry on the pending loss of her dear
>>>> partner. All God's blessings, comfort, strength be with the both of
>>>> you...
>>>>
>>>> Vincent Chaney, NFBNJ Diabetes Division President NFBNJ NJAGDU
>>>> Coe-Chair Lead _______________________________________________
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