[nagdu] dog corrections

[Joy Relton]

Julie,

I simply mean that you may be correcting a behavior by using a positive way
of doing the thing you want done. Corrections are not all punitive.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Julie J
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:13 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog corrections


Joy,

The clicker is used to mark a behavior that you like.  Then a treat is 
given.  So the click indicates two things, "yes, that is what I want" and "a

treat is on the way".  There is no correction of a punitive nature in 
clicker training.

I suppose though the clicker could be used entirely differently from 
anything I have read or experienced.  It makes me wince though.

I am very curious to know where you got the information that clickers were 
used in this way?

Julie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joy Relton" <jrelton at verizon.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog corrections


> Hi,
>
> I believe that another means of correction is the clicker though it's 
> principal is different than a leash correction its purpose is the 
> same. I agree with Tracy, the correction varies with the dog and it 
> also differs with the situation. If your dog has just gone through a 
> pretty difficult area and handled it nicely a firm, but quiet "knock 
> it off" or "no" will probably do the trick. If there's an especially 
> smelly area that the dog just won't give up on, you might have to be 
> more firm. I was trained that the dog got two tries with verbal 
> correction before I should resort to a leash correction, and then the 
> big "pfui" word should be used. That word, by the way, is uniquely 
> Seeing Eye. Even though my lab can be hard headed I rarely have to use 
> a leash correction, but the big "pfui" word usually gets
> a reaction. I have never used a clicker to show proper behavior, but I 
> have
> found that getting the dog to do what you want and praising them
> enthusiastically does as much if not more good than a harsh correction. Of
> course, it depends on the situation, and the infraction. If I'm run into
> something because she was sniffing, she'll get a leash correction if it's 
> a
> hard bump or something dangerous.
>
> Joy with Belle, who says, she's really a very good girl and never 
> means to do anything bad.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:06 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog corrections
>
>
> I don't think it varies much between schools.  It definitely is 
> different for each dog, and also can depend on the situation. When my 
> current dog, Ben, is really distracted, it can take a good two-handed 
> yank on his chain collar to get him back on track.  Sometimes I have 
> to pull the collar up around his ears, which really does choke him for 
> a second when I jerk the leash.  But he knows that, and just pulling 
> the collar up puts him on his toes and makes him forget that 
> fascinating bush. But, if he's only starting to be distracted, a 
> hup-up or a sharper pfui can get his focus back. My previous dog, 
> Echo, could almost always be corrected with a sharp word, and
> not too sharp either.  Too much, and she'd fall apart for a little while. 
> I
> use the thigh slap if the dog is pushing me too close to something on my
> right side. So part of learning to work with a new dog is learning what 
> kind
> of correction works best.  And learning to be a better handler involves
> learning what to use in which situation, I think.
>
> Tracy
>
>> Hello Everyone:
>>
>> I have a question that I will be quite interested in peoples  ansers 
>> about. I am curious when people say that they "correct" their dog 
>> what do they mean?
>>
>> I have  witnessed different examples of this such as pulling on a 
>> choke collar, a sharply spoken word, slapping a thigh, the sound the 
>> dog whisper uses on his show. Is the means of correction something 
>> that differs from school to school as well.
>>
>> Thank you
>> Gary
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