[nagdu] dog corrections

[Julie J]

Joy,

Yes, that makes sense.  Definitely clicker training can be used to train an 
appropriate behavior in place of the unwanted response.

I thought the original poster was asking about punitive punishment type 
corrections, which are not a part of clicker methods.

Thanks!
Julie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joy Relton" <jrelton at verizon.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
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Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog corrections


> Julie,
>
> I simply mean that you may be correcting a behavior by using a positive 
> way
> of doing the thing you want done. Corrections are not all punitive.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Julie J
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:13 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog corrections
>
>
> Joy,
>
> The clicker is used to mark a behavior that you like.  Then a treat is
> given.  So the click indicates two things, "yes, that is what I want" and 
> "a
>
> treat is on the way".  There is no correction of a punitive nature in
> clicker training.
>
> I suppose though the clicker could be used entirely differently from
> anything I have read or experienced.  It makes me wince though.
>
> I am very curious to know where you got the information that clickers were
> used in this way?
>
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joy Relton" <jrelton at verizon.net>
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> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog corrections
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I believe that another means of correction is the clicker though it's
>> principal is different than a leash correction its purpose is the
>> same. I agree with Tracy, the correction varies with the dog and it
>> also differs with the situation. If your dog has just gone through a
>> pretty difficult area and handled it nicely a firm, but quiet "knock
>> it off" or "no" will probably do the trick. If there's an especially
>> smelly area that the dog just won't give up on, you might have to be
>> more firm. I was trained that the dog got two tries with verbal
>> correction before I should resort to a leash correction, and then the
>> big "pfui" word should be used. That word, by the way, is uniquely
>> Seeing Eye. Even though my lab can be hard headed I rarely have to use
>> a leash correction, but the big "pfui" word usually gets
>> a reaction. I have never used a clicker to show proper behavior, but I
>> have
>> found that getting the dog to do what you want and praising them
>> enthusiastically does as much if not more good than a harsh correction. 
>> Of
>> course, it depends on the situation, and the infraction. If I'm run into
>> something because she was sniffing, she'll get a leash correction if it's
>> a
>> hard bump or something dangerous.
>>
>> Joy with Belle, who says, she's really a very good girl and never
>> means to do anything bad.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:06 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog corrections
>>
>>
>> I don't think it varies much between schools.  It definitely is
>> different for each dog, and also can depend on the situation. When my
>> current dog, Ben, is really distracted, it can take a good two-handed
>> yank on his chain collar to get him back on track.  Sometimes I have
>> to pull the collar up around his ears, which really does choke him for
>> a second when I jerk the leash.  But he knows that, and just pulling
>> the collar up puts him on his toes and makes him forget that
>> fascinating bush. But, if he's only starting to be distracted, a
>> hup-up or a sharper pfui can get his focus back. My previous dog,
>> Echo, could almost always be corrected with a sharp word, and
>> not too sharp either.  Too much, and she'd fall apart for a little while.
>> I
>> use the thigh slap if the dog is pushing me too close to something on my
>> right side. So part of learning to work with a new dog is learning what
>> kind
>> of correction works best.  And learning to be a better handler involves
>> learning what to use in which situation, I think.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>>> Hello Everyone:
>>>
>>> I have a question that I will be quite interested in peoples  ansers
>>> about. I am curious when people say that they "correct" their dog
>>> what do they mean?
>>>
>>> I have  witnessed different examples of this such as pulling on a
>>> choke collar, a sharply spoken word, slapping a thigh, the sound the
>>> dog whisper uses on his show. Is the means of correction something
>>> that differs from school to school as well.
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>> Gary
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