[nagdu] dog corrections

GARY STEEVES rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca
Fri Aug 28 22:39:08 UTC 2009 

Hi Julie:

I am actually quite interested in use of the clicker since this is news to me. I was just talking with a friend about his dog when he mentioned this as a way to add to his guide dogs training.

My reason for asking about corrections came from a conversation with my girlfriend about  the fact that I would not enjoy being a person who had to use a choke chain as a means of correction. That being said, I am curious about how other guide dog users deal with corrections. It is now a question I will ask my perspective schools as well.

I am really enjoying the thread though and hope others will continue to share how they manage doing corrections with their dogs. Or how they encourage the correct behaviour as well.

Gary


----- Original Message -----
From: Julie J <julielj at windstream.net>
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:51 pm
Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog corrections
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>

> Joy,
> 
> Yes, that makes sense.  Definitely clicker training can be 
> used to train an 
> appropriate behavior in place of the unwanted response.
> 
> I thought the original poster was asking about punitive 
> punishment type 
> corrections, which are not a part of clicker methods.
> 
> Thanks!
> Julie
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joy Relton" <jrelton at verizon.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 1:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog corrections
> 
> 
> > Julie,
> >
> > I simply mean that you may be correcting a behavior by using a 
> positive 
> > way
> > of doing the thing you want done. Corrections are not all punitive.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Julie J
> > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:13 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog corrections
> >
> >
> > Joy,
> >
> > The clicker is used to mark a behavior that you like.  
> Then a treat is
> > given.  So the click indicates two things, "yes, that is 
> what I want" and 
> > "a
> >
> > treat is on the way".  There is no correction of a 
> punitive nature in
> > clicker training.
> >
> > I suppose though the clicker could be used entirely 
> differently from
> > anything I have read or experienced.  It makes me wince though.
> >
> > I am very curious to know where you got the information that 
> clickers were
> > used in this way?
> >
> > Julie
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Joy Relton" <jrelton at verizon.net>
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide 
> Dog Users'"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog corrections
> >
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I believe that another means of correction is the clicker 
> though it's
> >> principal is different than a leash correction its purpose is the
> >> same. I agree with Tracy, the correction varies with the dog 
> and it
> >> also differs with the situation. If your dog has just gone 
> through a
> >> pretty difficult area and handled it nicely a firm, but quiet 
> "knock>> it off" or "no" will probably do the trick. If there's 
> an especially
> >> smelly area that the dog just won't give up on, you might 
> have to be
> >> more firm. I was trained that the dog got two tries with verbal
> >> correction before I should resort to a leash correction, and 
> then the
> >> big "pfui" word should be used. That word, by the way, is uniquely
> >> Seeing Eye. Even though my lab can be hard headed I rarely 
> have to use
> >> a leash correction, but the big "pfui" word usually gets
> >> a reaction. I have never used a clicker to show proper 
> behavior, but I
> >> have
> >> found that getting the dog to do what you want and praising them
> >> enthusiastically does as much if not more good than a harsh 
> correction. 
> >> Of
> >> course, it depends on the situation, and the infraction. If 
> I'm run into
> >> something because she was sniffing, she'll get a leash 
> correction if it's
> >> a
> >> hard bump or something dangerous.
> >>
> >> Joy with Belle, who says, she's really a very good girl and never
> >> means to do anything bad.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:06 AM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog corrections
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't think it varies much between schools.  It 
> definitely is
> >> different for each dog, and also can depend on the situation. 
> When my
> >> current dog, Ben, is really distracted, it can take a good 
> two-handed
> >> yank on his chain collar to get him back on track.  
> Sometimes I have
> >> to pull the collar up around his ears, which really does 
> choke him for
> >> a second when I jerk the leash.  But he knows that, and 
> just pulling
> >> the collar up puts him on his toes and makes him forget that
> >> fascinating bush. But, if he's only starting to be 
> distracted, a
> >> hup-up or a sharper pfui can get his focus back. My previous dog,
> >> Echo, could almost always be corrected with a sharp word, and
> >> not too sharp either.  Too much, and she'd fall apart 
> for a little while.
> >> I
> >> use the thigh slap if the dog is pushing me too close to 
> something on my
> >> right side. So part of learning to work with a new dog is 
> learning what
> >> kind
> >> of correction works best.  And learning to be a better 
> handler involves
> >> learning what to use in which situation, I think.
> >>
> >> Tracy
> >>
> >>> Hello Everyone:
> >>>
> >>> I have a question that I will be quite interested in 
> peoples  ansers
> >>> about. I am curious when people say that they "correct" 
> their dog
> >>> what do they mean?
> >>>
> >>> I have  witnessed different examples of this such as 
> pulling on a
> >>> choke collar, a sharply spoken word, slapping a thigh, the 
> sound the
> >>> dog whisper uses on his show. Is the means of correction something
> >>> that differs from school to school as well.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you
> >>> Gary
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