[nagdu] Adrian jumping on people on street!Consideringretirement

Fri Dec 25 19:21:56 UTC 2009

A harness check is just a harness correction. Pull back on the handle (as if 
you were doing the "hault" command) but do it a little harder..
Hope and Fidelco's Beignet
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ioana Gandrabur" <igandrabur at gmx.de>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Adrian jumping on people on 
street!Consideringretirement


> Hi there,
>
> What is a harness check? I use a leash correction but he is so calm right
> after like nothing happened. No excitement perfectly obedient.
>
> Thanks to all of you!
>
> Happy holidays!
>
> Ioana
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> Behalf Of Hope Paulos
> Sent: December 24, 2009 1:14 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Adrian jumping on people on
> street!Consideringretirement
>
>
> Something else occurred to me with the jumping. Would a harness check 
> after
> the jumping has occurred work to teach him not to jump?
> Hope and Beignet
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ioana Gandrabur" <igandrabur at gmx.de>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 9:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Adrian jumping on people on street!
> Consideringretirement
>
>
>> Thanks so much Tracy!
>>
>> It is nice to hear encouragement. When you say Ben is jumping on people 
>> is
>> it on friends or total strangers out of the blue? does he give you clues
>> that he's about to do it?
>>
>> I am trying to work him more often. In fact I think I could live with 
>> this
>> it is just that I feel bad for people being jumped at by guide dog gone
>> nuts. Also I am wondering what image I am sending as a guide dog user 
>> with
>> this kind of behaviour. But in my heart I feel he is safe to work and
>> would
>> not like to give up on working on this.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Ioana
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
>> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>> Sent: December 24, 2009 8:36 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Adrian jumping on people on street! Considering
>> retirement
>>
>>
>> Hi Ioana.
>> Happy holidays!
>>
>> In my experience, dogs have 3 basic kinds of problems--ones you can fix,
>> ones you can live with, and ones you can't live with.  Only you can 
>> decide
>> if your particular problem is one you can't live with.
>>
>> But it seems to me like a jumping problem is one that can be fixed, and 
>> it
>> sounds like you're on the right track.  I'd try to work him every day, if
>> you can.  I know my dogs have gotten a little squirrelly if they haven't
>> gotten regular work.  Even a long snowy weekend can get Ben a bit sloppy
>> or sniffier than usual when we first go out.
>> The prong collar or gentle leader also seem like good possibilities.
>>
>> I know what you mean; dogs know when that trainer is around and act like
>> little angels!  But you do have the deed on film, so that may help, too.
>>
>> Ben jumps on people sometimes, but only when he's saying Hello.  With 
>> him,
>> it's a playful, excited kind of thing.
>>
>> Anyway, I'd say Don't Panic!  There are still plenty of things to try.
>> Tracy
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I wish you a great happy healthy 2010 and a wonderful Christmas and
>>> holiday
>>> season in general to you and your guides and all your loved ones.
>>>
>>> I am however writing about a rather disturbing problem I have with
>>> Adrian.
>>> He has started to every once in a while jump at a person passing on the
>>> street next to us. No growling or straining before or after the jump.
>>> After
>>> he does it he is perfectly calm and response to me perfectly. Did any of
>>> you
>>> ever have to deal with such an issue with any guide? A trainer will come
>>> in
>>> January and see us work. I am worried that he will not catch him in the
>>> act
>>> because it is not a regular thing. We did get 1 jump on film and will
>>> send
>>> it to the school. We are hoping to find out what is motivating him. 
>>> Fear,
>>> play drive or pray drive or aggression but we think the last one is very
>>> unlikely. I have tried the prong caller (the only thing that made him
>>> stop
>>> barking at other dogs and sometimes at people). I fear that punishing 
>>> the
>>> barking repressed the behaviour and now I am stuck with this jumps with
>>> no
>>> warning that are harder to control.
>>> Will try gentle leader again in hopes that I can detect movement towards
>>> the
>>> person before he jumps. The frustrating thing is that I have no warning
>>> and
>>> can only react after he has done it. I don't want to give up on him and
>>> will
>>> try getting him out more giving him more play rewarding him for just
>>> passing
>>> people on the street but although this has decreased the problem from 1 
>>> 2
>>> times  day to 1 in a month I am thinking it is 1 too many. Should I
>>> retire
>>> him? He is my first dog and we have worked well for almost 2 years so 
>>> the
>>> idea of doing so breaks my heart. He did not hurt anyone but it is scary
>>> for
>>> people and frustrating for me. The pity is that for the rest he does
>>> outstanding guide work and has a great disposition.
>>> This is confirmed by mobility instructors and school trainers in past
>>> visits.
>>> Am I overreacting? I don't think so and yet the idea of retiring him
>>> makes
>>> me feel as if I give up on him too easily. He does not seam stressed
>>> while
>>> working and is always ready for it. But what else to try I could not 
>>> say.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your ideas and support!
>>>
>>> Ioana
>>>
>>>
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