[nagdu] Fw: [buddy-l] A very bad legislative effort

Albert J Rizzi albert at myblindspot.org
Sun Dec 27 19:44:59 UTC 2009

Lol, yeah sign me up for a self trained dog who can pour a scotch.  Well why
is there an assumption that certification will be granted by individual
schools, rather then an independent  body comprised of end users an
professionals from the field?  Anything different would most certainly
appear self serving  for those schools to determined who is or is not a
certified trainer.  I am not supporting that dogs be certified, but that the
trainer, much like others in the field of mobility are certified and trained
either according to national, or as seems to be the preference, a state
standard? Again, I would draw attention to the need for a guide to be
introduced and worked in those everyday environments which they will
inevitably come up against once they are passed onto a handler.  Is that not
proper?  I mean there is significant training that goes into a guide prior
to even venturing out into the public? Am I correct in that position? I am
not sure why it would seem odd to want our guides to be sufficiently trained
in areas where public accommodation  as defined under the ADA are afforded?

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Just to clarify; my dog is not self-trained.  She did not train  
herself.  If you ever find a dog who can train itself, let me know.   
It'd save me quite a bit of work.  Grin!

Many owner trainers actually don't really begin public access training  
for quite some time.  I have known an owner trainer to train the guide  
work on streets and in places where the general public is allowed to  
bring their pets.  In some cities such as Portland Oregon, dogs are  
allowed on pubtrans.

I don't appose giving training staff the right to bring pups in  
training into places of public accommodation.

There are two problems I have with this law, the first is the word  
"certified."  I think it opens up a huge can of worms, and is a  
slippery slope from certifying trainers to certifying teams.  I think  
it self-serving to allow the programs to certify their own trainers  
and also as an owner trainer I would rather that the programs not be  
involved in certifying my dog.
My second issue with this legislation is as Marion said.  I do not  
think the ADA which is a law written to protect the civil rights of  
persons with disabilities is the place to address the rights of  
largely non-disabled trainers.

Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
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earn it and win it in every generation."
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