[nagdu] A Discrimination Database

Mon Feb 2 21:39:14 UTC 2009

Joy,

Thanks!  Any assistance you can give with the data collection part of the
project would be great.  Using the data from the schools and giving
appropriate credit is an excellent idea.  Once we have a good batch of
sample data, I can use that to start designing the database.

If you're interested in going forward, contact me off-list at
webmaster at nfb-nadu.org.  The same goes for anyone else who wants to assist.
/smile/  I'm currently working on some back-end improvements to make the
site more efficient and manageable.  It's coming along slowly, I'm afraid,
but surely.

Thanks again for your offer of assistance and ideas!

Tami Smith-Kinney

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Garry and Joy Relton
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:02 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] A Discrimination Database

Marion and Tami,

That sounds great to me. I graduated from law school over twenty years ago
so can do research and more recently did advocacy work on disability rights
so this would definitely be up my alley. I've used data bases rarely but
figure I can work things out. One suggestion that I have is that we contact
the dog guide schools because many of them have collected some of the
information and would probably b able to give us a hand. Especially if
appropriate credit was given for their efforts.   

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Tamara Smith-Kinney
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:28 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] A Discrimination Database

Marion and Joy,

I agree that this is an excellent idea!  Our website will soon be
database-driven, and this will be an excellent addition.

Tami Smith-Kinney

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Marion & Martin
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:27 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: [nagdu] A Discrimination Database

Joy,
    I think your idea of having a database of guide dog user discrimination 
cases is an excellent one. We have at least one attorney and one law student

on this list, so perhaps we can look into this for our website.

Marion

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garry and Joy Relton" <relton30857 at cox.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Enforcement

> Hi Marion,
>
> Do we have any sort of data base started recording various instances 
> of discrimination with dog guides and the resolution? If not, that 
> might be a good thing to start. I would be willing to help with it.
>
> Joy and Belle
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Marion & Martin
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:41 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Enforcement
>
>
> Ron,
>    Please write to me off-list at
> president at nfb-nagdu.org
> In what state did this occur? There may be other options.
>
> Fraternally,
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users
> National Federation of the blind
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Davidson" <fuzzy_1 at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:42 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] Enforcement
>
>
>>I found out recently that the ADA laws are not the easiest to get 
>>enforced. I was denied access to a local restraint with my guide dog 
>>and as I was taught in school did not force my way in.  I explained 
>>the law to the management and they still refused. They changed their 
>>mind after I asked them to call the police to have me removed and they 
>>refused to do this so I
>
>>called the police and filed a complaint or report. When I got home I
>>filled
>
>>out a complaint form with the DOJ and also with the state attorney
>>generals
>
>>office  because I received a email from DOJ saying to do so. The state 
>>attorneys generals office emailed me and told me they couldn't enforce 
>>the federal law and to contact my local City ADA compliance office 
>>they sent me
>
>>to the district attorneys office and they sent me to the Human Rights 
>>Commission. Then I received a letter from a law office that worked as 
>>mediators and we set up and met with the restraint owners and worked 
>>out a settlement. The restraint then broke the  contract of settlement 
>>with me and I recontacted the mediators office and  they said there 
>>was nothing more they could do. I contacted the DOJ and  they said the 
>>only thing I could do was privately sue the restraint and  the state 
>>has limitations on the amount I could receive and may not be  enough 
>>to cover my legal fees. Is this normally how this works a big run  
>>around just to be dumped on. I think if we give local agencies the 
>>power  to enforce the ada laws that would help maybe I am wrong. By 
>>the way the  terms of the contract was that I and someone from the 
>>local low vision  center would train all their employees on how to 
>>deal with as far as  sight
>
>> guiding and waiting on us and other things helpful for them to know 
>> just some educating of the public and the management thought that was 
>> a great idea.  But he never had a intensions of sticking to the terms 
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