[nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal
lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com
lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com
Wed Feb 18 01:30:12 UTC 2009
Hi Rebecca,
To be sucessful on the Paws That Heal staff, our Program Manager has a big
list of what is required by both the human and the canine parts of each
team. Basically, the human must be a mature adult who can have empathy for
others and work for someone else's needs. They have to be able to think of
others outside themselves. Many blind and disabled people don't learn this.
Unfortunately, many of our blind center members, who use guide dogs, can't
qualify because they are more self centered.
The dog needs to be able to interact well with both strangers (patients) and
other dogs. They need to be friendly and play nice - no humping and other
dominance posturing. They need to be well behaved and come when called
sinse they work off leash and out of harness. They also have to be able to
transition well from work mode, to play mode, and back to work mode easily.
Since the program is only at the Naval Medical Center of San Diego and in
existance since September 2006 (in-patient portion), the people selected and
who passed all the tests, just happened to be Seeing Eye grads. The portion
of the program where we go to a fenced in play area once a month has been
going on since 2005. This portion of Paws That Heal morphed from a Blind
Community Center activity of bringing the guide dogs once a month to a
fenced in dog park that started back in 2003. We had use of one of the
fenced in parks without any other dogs but our guide dogs. There were two
more fenced in parks adjacent to ours for the pet dogs to play in. Now, we
use a fenced in volleyball field on the base for this part of the program.
WE no longer use the dog park in a hotter climate. We'd have to cancel more
than not because of excessive heat or rain and muddy conditions. The base is
located in a much cooler part of the city.
Over the last couple of years, we've had several people express an interest
in our program. One person would have worked out well but his dog didn't
pass his tests. The dog was kind of aggressive with the other dogs and
didn't want to play with the patients. Two women started their application
process but failed to complete it. One was put off by the legnthy personal
background check required by the Navy (she was emotionally fragile herself).
The other one really was interested more in being the boss and didn't want
to follow directions. Self centered. All these people had GDB dogs.
Now we finally found another woman with a GDB dog to actually pass
everything, do all the required paperwork. She is a psychology major at a
local college. Her dog was very good as well. We are very pleased to have
her and her dog join the staff.
To us, it doesn't matter where a person gets their dog - they just have to
be the right dog and person to join the staff.
I am very happy to have her come on board since I'll be leaving in July.
That would have just left only the Program Manager (dogless right now while
she heals from a broken wrist) and our other team, a man who is a veteran
who was blinded by a gangbanger robbing a convience store where he worked.
He was shot in the head and he missed being killed by a fraction of an inch.
The bullet took both his eyes and his sense of smell. He can relate very
well to the PTSD patients. We need at least two staff teams in order to do
the program. If, say, my teammate couldn't do the program on a day I'm laid
up with my foot surgery, a visit dosen't happen that day. When our manager
gets her dog back, she'll be going with us again. With having an extra
team, they could fill in for me and the program would happen that day.
Hope this answered your questions (grin!).
Regards,
Linda and Landon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (IT)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal
> Linda,
> What are the requirements for the Paws program?
> Also, why do you think that until recently, Seeing Eye teams were the
> only ones that made it into work this program?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 1:14 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal
>
> Hi Haben,
> Unfortunately, the Naval Medical Center cannot pay us. They're cutting
> their paid staff! And wasting money to revamp several areas on the base.
> It would be nice to be paid, but...you know how that is. I'm glad you
> enjoyed the articles. We enjoy what we do pay or no pay. I'd say that
> our "pay" is the contribution to the healing of our Wounded Warriors.
> These servicemembers are all mostly 18 and 19 year olds who went into
> the military because they wanted to serve the country they love. We
> feel that the program is a way that we can also serve our country - we
> can't serve in the military ourselves. We see first hand what this long
> war in Iraq and Afghanistan is doing to our young people. Most of the
> wounded are brain injuries, depression, and PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress
> Disorder). Unlike in the war in Vietnam, the current servicemembers
> have to be deployed for over a year at a time and they are also deployed
> over and over. Even sick folks are sent back! Not good. Many of our
> patients are so sick and affected for life that they are forced out of
> the military. They all say in their exit interviews that the Paws That
> Heal program was a huge help in their recovery.
>
> Well, until yesterday, all the Paws That Heal canine staff were Seeing
> Eye dogs! We have accepted our newest staffmember and her dog is from
> Guide Dogs for the Blind - San Rafael Campus. We didn't ever
> discriminate against dogs from other schools - we just didn't have any
> who qualified until now (smile!).
>
> Now, about Seeing Eye. You are treated as the mature adult that they
> assume you are. The campus is really nice - nestled in the lovely
> rolling hills of Washington Valley in Morris Township, New Jersey. The
> living arrangements are comfortable and homey. The grounds are nice to
> walk around. There's a leisure path with two gazebos. The staff is
> very friendly and professional in their interactions with the blind
> people. The Seeing Eye is a tough place to find job openings - even
> jobs like cooks or housekeeping. They are a great employer and people
> don't want to leave! All of the staff is comfortable with blindness.
> I've heard that the staff spends some time under blindfold for them to
> gain a sensitivity towards the blind people they work with. You have
> your own room to yourself with your own bathroom.
> There are lounges to hang out in with stereos and TVs. There's an
> exercise room, laundryroom, dog grooming room, and a computer room with
> CCTVs and a Ham Radio if you are qualified to use that. In each room is
> a radio, I think they still have Satellite radio that a graduate donated
> for the dorm.
> They got this right after I was there.
>
> The diningroom similates a restaurant setting. At lunch time during the
> weekdays, the whole staff eats there. One or two staff people sits at
> each table with the students. Other staffmembers eat in another area
> that the students must pass through as the staff come to eat about ten
> minutes before the students are called to lunch. Now, this teaches us
> how to handle our new dogs in a situation where people are already
> eating at tables and we learn how to keep proper control of our dogs in
> a place where there is food around. The food is delicious and is much
> like that served in a fine-dining restaurant. They feed you so good
> that we have to make use of the exercise room and the leisure path!
>
> The training is the best I've experienced. I have attended three other
> schools before I attended The Seeing Eye. After experiencing The Seeing
> Eye, I will not even consider any other school. The other schools do a
> decent job, but the Seeing Eye still shines brighter.
>
> The instructors are very good and thorough in teaching us EVERYTHING we
> need to know aboout guide dog care and use. We train in Morristown - a
> lovely town - and other nearby communities. We have four basic routes
> that we do in the beginning. Towards the end we do "free lance" which
> is any particular aspect of training that you feel you need. With one
> dog, I was living nearby my sister-in-law who has horses. I was always
> over there and riding. I needed to have a dog who wouldn't freak out
> over horses. My instructor arranged a visit to a barn full of horses.
> With Landon, my instructors knew about my work with Paws That Heal. I
> was taken on a visit to a nursing home and Landon got to visit with the
> patients. He loved it!
> We have lots of good lectures. We get training with traffic checks,
> even with the hybrid Prius car! Each instructor has four students in
> his or her class so you get alot of personal attention.
>
> I would say that the experience is like a working vacation. Learn all
> you can and have fun! If you have any concerns - no matter what - talk
> to your instructor. The only "stupid question" is the one never asked
> (grin!).
>
> Also, you have a ready made community right here on the NAGDU List. We
> are a wealth of information and experience here as we represent many,
> many years of hands-on experience with using guide dogs.
>
> Hopefully, this has answered your questions (grin).
>
> Take care and let us know when you go to Seeing Eye.
>
> Regards,
>
> Linda and Landon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal
>
>
>>
>> Hey Linda, I loved the articles. It's very touching, such a truly
>> marvelous program. You should ask the Naval Medical Center to pay the
>> blind volunteers? The program has proven its benefits, its
> successfulness,
>> and I'm sure many of the military men you serve in the program would
>> agree. It wouldn't hurt to ask.
>>
>> I've heard many good things about The Seeing Eye. I'd love to hear
> your
>> reasons for ranking it as the best school. I laughed when I read that
> only
>> Seeing Eye teams had passed the interviews for Paws that Heal.
>>
>> best,
>> Haben
>>
>> lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
>>> Hi Haben,
>>> Yes, isn't it a shame that governments get in the way sometimes. The
>
>>> singer/songwriter Sting has a song about the Cold War between the US
> and
>>> the old USSR. There is a reoccuring line in the song about the
> Russians
>>> loving their children as the Americans love theirs! Thanks for the
>>> explanations about Eritrea and Ethiopia.
>>>
>>> Hey! Wonderful about you going to The Seeing Eye! I've been to
> several
>>> other schools over the years - I've had dogs since 1973. I like The
>>> Seeing Eye the best. I would have started out with them back in 1973
>
>>> but, at that time, The Seeing Eye didn't accept people who still had
> some
>>> usable vision. They soon realized that some people with limited
> vision do
>>> well with guide dogs and began to accept us. There are some people
> who
>>> have some vision and they don't learn to trust the dog and it doesn't
> go
>>> well for the team. Some people with partial vision second guess the
> dog
>>> and the team gets in trouble. You get hurt because the envirnment
> isn't
>>> what you thought you saw. The dog gets real confused and stops doing
> its
>>> job. The Seeing Eye will work you under blindfold if they suspect you
> are
>>> having trust troubles with your dog. Most people learn to trust
> their
>>> dog.
>>>
>>> There are ways to use the usable vision with the dog. I do that all
> the
>>> time. However, I "listen" to my dog if he doesn't want to go through
>
>>> something or he takes me around a black spot on the sidewalk - that
> tells
>>> me that the black spot was actually a hole! So, TRUST YOUR DOG!
> (grin!)
>>> I also have no night vision - just lights "floating" in the blackness
> of
>>> the night. I HAVE to trust my dog as if I were totally blind.
>>>
>>> I also use ZoomText for the PDF files. What did you think about the
> Paws
>>> program?
>>>
>>> You take care,
>>>
>>> Linda and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Linda,
>>>>
>>>> The governments of Eritrea and Ethiopia do not get along at all,
> they've
>>>> been at the verge of war for the last few years, with fighting
> breaking
>>>> out at the border every now and then. The typical civilian does not
> hate
>>>> the civilians of the other country. I have family on both sides of
> the
>>>> border, and quite a lot of people have family on both sides. The
>>>> cultures are very similar, almost identical, and some parts of each
>>>> country share languages. Most Eritreans don't like Ethiopia, but
> they
>>>> have Ethiopian friends.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I was able to read the attachments. I use ZoomText, so the pdfs
>
>>>> weren't a problem. I hope the interview with the woman goes well.
>>>>
>>>> I hope to have a dog by this summer, I'm in the application process
> with
>>>> The Seeing Eye at the moment. I've heard lots of good things about
> that
>>>> place.
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>> Haben
>>>>
>>>> lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
>>>>> Hi Haben,
>>>>> Thanks. We have alot of Eritrians here in San Diego. I heard that
> the
>>>>> Eritreans and the Ethiopians don't like each other - is this true?
> I
>>>>> hope not - I don't like people having age-old grudges against each
>>>>> other - you know - it limits your friendships with people. (grin!)
>>>>>
>>>>> Were you able to read the Paws That Heal attachments I sent you? I
>
>>>>> know that screen readers and PDF files don't always agree with each
>
>>>>> other. Tell me what you think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tomorrow, we're interviewing a local woman and her guide dog for
> the
>>>>> Paws program. I want to make sure we have another good person in
> it
>>>>> before I have to leave in July.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if I missed something - do you have a dog? If so,
> what
>>>>> kind is it and what's its name? I do know that we have people on
> the
>>>>> list who are between dogs, exploring the possibilities for a first
> dog.
>>>>> My dog Landon is a Golden/Lab mix and he's red. He's from the
> Seeing
>>>>> Eye in New Jersey.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>
>>>>> Linda and Landon
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:13 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the articles, Linda!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I identify as female, born in California with family from Eritrea,
>
>>>>>> East Africa. Haben is actually a gender neutral name in Eritrea,
> so
>>>>>> it's a legitimate question all around. I like the ambiguity,
>>>>>> especially when filling out applications for various things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> best,
>>>>>> Haben
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Haben,
>>>>>>> Attached are a couple of articles and a flyer aboout the Paws
> That
>>>>>>> Heal program. One article and the flyer are in PDF files and the
>>>>>>> other article is in a work doc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't tell from your name if you are a male or female - I just
> like
>>>>>>> to know what I'm talking to! (grin). What nationality is your
> name?
>>>>>>> I'm half Polish. It took me an age to find out that Marion
> Gwizdala
>>>>>>> is a man!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Enjoy the articles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linda and Landon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS: Your home e-mail didn't work so this is on the list.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma"
> <habnkid at aol.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:03 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linda, I am absolutely intrigued! That is such a lovely program!
> I
>>>>>>>> really hope I can find something like that in the Portland,
> Oregon
>>>>>>>> area. I am a college student currently taking an anthropology
> class
>>>>>>>> that requires students to go out and do fieldwork. I am
> considering
>>>>>>>> doing something with Guide Dogs for the Blind in Boring, Oregon.
>
>>>>>>>> Right now I'm going to search the Internet for a dog therapy
> program
>>>>>>>> in Portland. Thanks for sharing LInda!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Haben
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Haben,
>>>>>>>>> There is no web page for Paws That Heal. We are a 3 year old
>>>>>>>>> program that is run out of the Health & Wellness Department for
> the
>>>>>>>>> Naval Medical Center of San Diego. The program manager is
> their
>>>>>>>>> Diabetes Instructor. She is visually impaired with a guide dog
> and
>>>>>>>>> she started the program after an encounter in the elevator with
> a
>>>>>>>>> Wounded Warrior in her building. The servicemember had a
> profound
>>>>>>>>> stutter and it took him five minutes to stutter out, "May I pet
>
>>>>>>>>> your dog?" My friend - the instructor - allowed him to pet her
> dog
>>>>>>>>> and the stutter went away just like that! He then shared his
> war
>>>>>>>>> experiences with her - the servicemember was wounded in Iraq.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, the Diabetes instructor happens to have been a friend
> of
>>>>>>>>> mine for years. She also knows several of the other guide dog
>>>>>>>>> users in the San Diego area who already had a program with the
>>>>>>>>> local blind center where we bring our dogs to an outdoor,
> fenced in
>>>>>>>>> dog park to allow the guide dogs play time together. We had
>>>>>>>>> exclusive use of one of the fenced in areas for two hours once
> a
>>>>>>>>> month. The friend of mine worked with us and her chain of
> command
>>>>>>>>> at the hospital and permission was granted to bring several
> wounded
>>>>>>>>> servicemembers to the park to play with our dogs - and Paws
> That
>>>>>>>>> Heal was born. We also have a portion of the program where we
> go
>>>>>>>>> to the locked mental health ward to work with the
> servicemembers
>>>>>>>>> with PTSD and depression. More great stuff happened as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I do have a flyer for the program but it is in a PDF file and
>>>>>>>>> turned sideways - don't know if a screen reader can desipher
> it!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The program manager has written to Marion Gwizdala and he in
> turn
>>>>>>>>> had her contact Mike Hingson about the program. We are looking
> for
>>>>>>>>> some new teams to work with us who live in the San Diego area.
> The
>>>>>>>>> Paws program happens three times a month at the hospital so we
> need
>>>>>>>>> people who can get there, can commit the time, and pass the
>>>>>>>>> interviewing process - both human and dog.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I forgot, where do you live?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Linda and Landon
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma"
> <habnkid at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:13 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Welcome Haben
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Linda, those volunteer programs sound awesome! Would you send
> me
>>>>>>>>>> the web address for Paws that Heal? I'd love to read more
> about
>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Haben
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the list, Haben.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm Linda and I live in San Diego - soon to move to Vermont.
>>>>>>>>>>> Landon is my 3 year old red Lab/Golden cross from The Seeing
> Eye.
>>>>>>>>>>> I got him in the October 2007 class. I am 58 years young and
> have
>>>>>>>>>>> not had a paid job in eons. I've done lots of volunteer jobs
> to
>>>>>>>>>>> get experience to put on a resume! Right now, Landon and I
> work
>>>>>>>>>>> at two pet therapy programs. One for the Humane Society
> where we
>>>>>>>>>>> visit various facilities for disabled kids and adults. Landon
> is
>>>>>>>>>>> certified by the AKC's Canine Good Citizenship Test. Landon
> is
>>>>>>>>>>> their program's first actual working assistance dog they've
> had.
>>>>>>>>>>> Lots of guide dog and service dog pups, but we are their
> first
>>>>>>>>>>> working team to be in the program. The other one is a
> program
>>>>>>>>>>> called Paws That Heal that is at the Naval Medical Center of
> SD.
>>>>>>>>>>> Both Landon and I had to pass a series of interviews for
> this.
>>>>>>>>>>> We do a combo pet therapy, socialization, and reintegration
> work
>>>>>>>>>>> with our Wounded Warriors from Iraq and Afghanistan. We work
>
>>>>>>>>>>> mainly with the patients on the mental health ward.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Haben, you'll enjoy this list - it's alot of fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Linda and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma"
>>>>>>>>>>> <habnkid at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:27 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Welcome Haben
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mardi, thanks for the explanations. I love the names of
> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> dogs. I actually don't have a dog, I'm in the application
>>>>>>>>>>>> process for a Seeing Eye dog right now. So, I'm patiently
>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting to learn my fate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Haben
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi Hadfield wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Welcome Haben. No, I don't live in
> Alaska.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Huskies
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are "south paws" We live in Tucson, Arizona. When I first
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed a guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dog, I was told that the schools did not train for
> wheelchair
>>>>>>>>>>>>> users.Since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> already had a service dog, who was a husky, I hired a
> trainer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to help me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> train Lily to guide me. I had to retire her at age 8 as
> she
>>>>>>>>>>>>> had health
>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues and she died month later, leaving me with out a
> guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dog. I tried
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out a border collie and he did not work out as he had been
>>>>>>>>>>>>> abused before I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> got him and he could not handle being out in public. Then I
> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>> husky, Nala,who was a fantastic guide. She will soon be 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>> years old and has
>>>>>>>>>>>>> health issues now.She has guided me for 8 years and it has
> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> retire her as she does not want to retire. When she sees me
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting ready to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> go out, she brings me her harness and get all excited. She
>>>>>>>>>>>>> started picking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fights with Wanagi, the dog that I was training to take
> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for Nala. She
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a lot happier now that she is working again part time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wanagi came up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lame with a hip problem, so she was career changed. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> keeping her as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pet. I have been looking for a dog to take over as my new
> guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for over 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>> months. I think I have finally found a dog.I would love to
> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a dog from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fidelco,but when I asked about it ,I was told that they
> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> train for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair users.I would have to pay my way to and from
> South
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eastern Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dogs, which I could not afford, and really can't be away
> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> long. Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dogs for the Blind would take me ,but again, I can't be
> away
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from my home
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and business that long. So I guess I will just continue to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> train my own
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guides with the help of my trainer. Haben, do you have a
> guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dog? If so ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what breed is it? I love hearing from others and about
> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dogs. Have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> great day, Mardi and Nala,semi-retired, and Shaman ,
> possible
>>>>>>>>>>>>> trainee.
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