[nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguide dogpolicydoes notdiscriminate

Sat Feb 21 02:40:42 UTC 2009

Hi Sarah,
I think it all boils down to us knowing when it is appropriate to have our 
dogs with us or not (grin!).  I do take Landon to the zoo as a visitor.  The 
animals were fine for the most part - mainly they showed curiosity.  If the 
animals started to get upset, well, I moved on.

You were working and feeding animals and of course, the dog would be in the 
way!  BTW, I do use my cane lots of times. Landon was sick recently and I 
left him home while I took my cane and went to my doctor appointment.  While 
out, I called and made a vet appointment for Landon. He and I went to that 
and I spent some money on him.  He's feeling better now.

Cheers,

Linda and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "sarah baebler" <wolvessarah at hotmail.com>
To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguide dogpolicydoes 
notdiscriminate

>
> Here's what I think.  The point of the visual aids  well we're not sure if 
> that's what the teacher/instructor said, but rather was quoted in court by 
> someone trying to explain the dog as something visually helping the 
> person.  The dog does have sight and does use it when guiding so that is 
> like sighted guide in a way... I SAID IN A WAY don't jump down my throat.. 
> thank you..  Anyways  I think that's is just how they were explaining it. 
> Also um  Julie and meghan I agree totally with your post.  Number one she 
> should have learned everything about the program before she went into it 
> with her guide.  I had a friend who choose CO NFB center over the others 
> because SHE FELT I said SHE FELT not me or what I think...  said that the 
> training eventually included guide training after awhile.  Afterall isn't 
> cane travel with a cane?  Like I said before I'm sure something could have 
> been worked out like after her requirments were met with the cane then she 
> could do lessons with the dog and switch back and forth.  As far as the 
> not working the dog.  I did a training center in WI here (unfortunatly not 
> NFB related) but they did the same thing, I kept my dog in a room for 
> short trip and long trips I either kept him heeling or at my apartment.  I 
> did work him when not in the cane travel lessons.  It's up to us to work 
> our dogs even the friend at the CO NFB center worked her dog in her spare 
> time after class, or took a different route home to give the dog more 
> exercise.  Oh geez what were other peopel saying...  OH I do think that 
> people depend way too much on they're dogs.  I've seen people who won't 
> even go do anything without them, work them until the day they go to the 
> school to get the next, take them to loud concerts, or places like the zoo 
> where it's damaging to the other animals.  I volunteered at a zoo and kept 
> Dante in the office while I walked around and did the feedings. It would 
> have been stupid for me to work him all around there when I'm hauling food 
> and being around prey animals or preditors.  I think the schools should 
> also do a better job of making sure that people know they're cane skills. 
> Dante stays home every monday afternoon because i have lab, because I am 
> concerned for him being involved in a haszard, they're are accidents all 
> the time and the last thing I need is my dog getting injured.  Scary story 
> I do know someone who took their dog to lab and a test tube dropped and 
> the dog got glass in it's paws and of'course licked it. NOT GOOD ENDING. 
> SO I'm not saying particular people on the list but I have notice some 
> people over over over using their dogs.  OH the last thing was that I nor 
> anyone on this list was there.  We don't know what was said.  Maybe it was 
> a simple, you need to heel your dog or leave him in the room while we work 
> on your cane travel.  I'm sure it wasn't a you can't bring that dog in 
> here statement.
> OK I'm done rambling,
> Sarah and Dante
>
>> From: swampfox1833 at verizon.net
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:52:25 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide dogpolicydoes 
>> notdiscriminate
>>
>> Well, this woman did sue....and lost!
>>
>> Marion
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide dogpolicydoes
>> notdiscriminate
>>
>>
>> >I agree Marsha.  This is shameful.  If I were the woman, as soon as I
>> >discovered they didn't allow  my dog to be with me, I'd withdraw from 
>> >the
>> >program and sue immediately thereafter.
>> >
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Marsha" <queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com
>> >>To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> > Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> >>Date sent: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:40:54 -0500
>> >>Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept.  for Blind's guide
>> > dogpolicydoes not discriminate
>> >
>> >>I do not understand myself.  How is this center any different
>> > than one of our
>> >>training centers? Even people who attend our centers can use
>> > their dogs.  I
>> >>understand the need to learn to use the cane, but if that person
>> > chooses to
>> >>use a dog then so be it.
>> >
>> >>Why do we always have to put the cane users against the guide dog
>> > users?
>> >>Marsha
>> >
>> >
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