[nagdu] Jury finds IADept.forBlind'sguide dogpolicydoes notdiscriminate

Sat Feb 21 19:58:00 UTC 2009

Yes... Sometimes things don't quite come across the way that we meant them 
to *grin*.

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From: <lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com>
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Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IADept.forBlind'sguide dogpolicydoes 
notdiscriminate

Hahahahaha! Charlene, that was funny.  No, Landon got better because of the
medication and ID diet food.

Linda and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlene Ota" <caota at hawaii.rr.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
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Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept.forBlind'sguide dogpolicydoes
notdiscriminate

> Hey Linda, is it the fact that you spent money on him that made him feel
> better or whatever it was the vet did for him?  (Just kidding, couldn't
> resist! It was just the way you said it!)
>
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> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:41 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. forBlind'sguide dogpolicydoes
> notdiscriminate
>
> Hi Sarah,
> I think it all boils down to us knowing when it is appropriate to have our
> dogs with us or not (grin!).  I do take Landon to the zoo as a visitor.
> The
> animals were fine for the most part - mainly they showed curiosity.  If
> the
> animals started to get upset, well, I moved on.
>
> You were working and feeding animals and of course, the dog would be in
> the
> way!  BTW, I do use my cane lots of times. Landon was sick recently and I
> left him home while I took my cane and went to my doctor appointment.
> While
> out, I called and made a vet appointment for Landon. He and I went to that
> and I spent some money on him.  He's feeling better now.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Linda and Landon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sarah baebler" <wolvessarah at hotmail.com>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 4:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguide dogpolicydoes
> notdiscriminate
>
>
>>
>> Here's what I think.  The point of the visual aids  well we're not
>> sure if that's what the teacher/instructor said, but rather was quoted
>> in court by someone trying to explain the dog as something visually
>> helping the person.  The dog does have sight and does use it when
>> guiding so that is like sighted guide in a way... I SAID IN A WAY don't
> jump down my throat..
>> thank you..  Anyways  I think that's is just how they were explaining it.
>> Also um  Julie and meghan I agree totally with your post.  Number one
>> she should have learned everything about the program before she went
>> into it with her guide.  I had a friend who choose CO NFB center over
>> the others because SHE FELT I said SHE FELT not me or what I think...
>> said that the training eventually included guide training after
>> awhile.  Afterall isn't cane travel with a cane?  Like I said before
>> I'm sure something could have been worked out like after her
>> requirments were met with the cane then she could do lessons with the
>> dog and switch back and forth.  As far as the not working the dog.  I
>> did a training center in WI here (unfortunatly not NFB related) but
>> they did the same thing, I kept my dog in a room for short trip and
>> long trips I either kept him heeling or at my apartment.  I did work
>> him when not in the cane travel lessons.  It's up to us to work our
>> dogs even the friend at the CO NFB center worked her dog in her spare
>> time after class, or took a different route home to give the dog more
>> exercise.  Oh geez what were other peopel saying...  OH I do think
>> that people depend way too much on they're dogs.  I've seen people who
>> won't even go do anything without them, work them until the day they
>> go to the school to get the next, take them to loud concerts, or
>> places like the zoo where it's damaging to the other animals.  I
>> volunteered at a zoo and kept Dante in the office while I walked
>> around and did the feedings. It would have been stupid for me to work
>> him all around there when I'm hauling food and being around prey animals
> or preditors.  I think the schools should also do a better job of making
> sure that people know they're cane skills.
>> Dante stays home every monday afternoon because i have lab, because I
>> am concerned for him being involved in a haszard, they're are
>> accidents all the time and the last thing I need is my dog getting
>> injured.  Scary story I do know someone who took their dog to lab and
>> a test tube dropped and the dog got glass in it's paws and of'course
> licked it. NOT GOOD ENDING.
>> SO I'm not saying particular people on the list but I have notice some
>> people over over over using their dogs.  OH the last thing was that I
>> nor anyone on this list was there.  We don't know what was said.
>> Maybe it was a simple, you need to heel your dog or leave him in the
>> room while we work on your cane travel.  I'm sure it wasn't a you
>> can't bring that dog in here statement.
>> OK I'm done rambling,
>> Sarah and Dante
>>
>>> From: swampfox1833 at verizon.net
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:52:25 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide
>>> dogpolicydoes notdiscriminate
>>>
>>> Well, this woman did sue....and lost!
>>>
>>> Marion
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>; <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:12 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide
>>> dogpolicydoes notdiscriminate
>>>
>>>
>>> >I agree Marsha.  This is shameful.  If I were the woman, as soon as
>>> >I discovered they didn't allow  my dog to be with me, I'd withdraw
>>> >from the program and sue immediately thereafter.
>>> >
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>From: "Marsha" <queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com
>>> >>To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> > Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> >>Date sent: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:40:54 -0500
>>> >>Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept.  for Blind's guide
>>> > dogpolicydoes not discriminate
>>> >
>>> >>I do not understand myself.  How is this center any different
>>> > than one of our
>>> >>training centers? Even people who attend our centers can use
>>> > their dogs.  I
>>> >>understand the need to learn to use the cane, but if that person
>>> > chooses to
>>> >>use a dog then so be it.
>>> >
>>> >>Why do we always have to put the cane users against the guide dog
>>> > users?
>>> >>Marsha
>>> >
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