[nagdu] Jury finds IADept.forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoes notdiscriminate

Carlos J montas carlos.montas at gmail.com
Sat Feb 21 21:23:37 UTC 2009


Well like you said, we all have are opinions. As for your question about the 
dogs the dogs are kept in a room through out the day. Write me off list if 
you have any other questions.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IADept.forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoes 
notdiscriminate


> Hi, Carlos.
>
> I'll certainly write you off   list as you seem like a nice person to get 
> to
> know,  but I'm not sure I understood your answer.  Where is the dog when
> you're in class, somewhere in the building, at your apartment, or where?
>
> I remember you now, there was an article about you a few years ago in the
> Florida Focus, Florida NFB newsletter, right?
>
> Well, I have to say honestly that that policy would not be satisfactory 
> for
> me as a guide dog user whether a state president who's a guide dog user or
> anyone else told me they approve it--grin.
>
> I personally feel I know my own mind and what skills I need working on.
> I remember hearing Peggy Elliot at the 1996 convention saying that the 
> "dog
> schools" maybe should have shorter programs.  Then what about the
> Centers?--smile.  Six to nine months is a damned long time.
>
> Remember, I'm certainly not trying to fight with you but these are my
> opinions.
> I'm often seen how E-mail makes things sound harsher than people mean 
> their
> statements to sound.
>
>
> Cordially,
>
> Dan W. and the hilarious hounds
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Carlos J montas
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:30 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept.forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoes
> notdiscriminate
>
> Good morning to you Dan, and listers. When the dog is not being used 
> during
> the day, my dog gets to interact with three other guide dogs. During are
> brakes, and lunch time, we take the dogs out. We also work are dogs on
> weekends and at night. It has not been a problem for me or for the Florida
> president Kathy Davis  who is also a guide dog user. My issue is that I am
> not going to let the fact that I have a guide dog stop me from attending 
> one
> of the best rehabilitation centers around the country. I believe that 
> there
> was a time where may be some folks in the nfb did not understand how guide
> dogs work. How ever I believe that the president of nagdu and the rest of 
> us
> are working to change that perception. Let me also point out that Pam 
> Allen
> who is on the National board, and the executive director of the Louisiana
> center for the blind is also a former guide dog user. She understands the
> issues that a person entering the program may go through. How ever my
> experience has been invaluable. I have not just learned about blindness 
> but
> I have learned about life in general, and about having high expectations 
> for
> my self at all times.If any one would like to write to me off list, my 
> email
> is carlos.montas at gmail.com Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoes
> notdiscriminate
>
>
>> First of all, good to have you here, Carlos.
>>
>> My name is Dan and I'm from Florida.
>>
>> So, if you can't use the dog from eight to five what on earth do you
>> do with your pup during that time?
>> It sounds like the Louisiana Center's policy hasn't changed from that
>> of
>> 12
>> years ago when I was interested in going there.  It's not a policy I
>> would like  very much...but, oh well.
>> Explain, please, someone, structured discovery in plain English--grin.
>>
>> So, good to meet you and hope you enjoy the list as I don't remember
>> seeing you before.
>>
>> Dan W. and the hilarious hounds
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Carlos J montas
>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:55 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguidedogpolicydoes
>> notdiscriminate
>>
>> Good afternoon, my name is Carlos J montas. I am a guide dog user, and
>> I am also currently in training at the Louisiana center for the blind.
>> The policy is that students who have guide dogs may not use them
>> during the day that is from 8:00 to 5:00. I have not had any issues
>> while attending the Louisiana center for the blind when it pertains to
>> Gide dogs. The fact of the matter is that it is not possible to learn
>> the skills of cane travel while using the dog. I would say that it has
>> been my experience that because of my training, in structured
>> discovery I have become a better guide dog user.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marsha" <queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's
>> guidedogpolicydoes notdiscriminate
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Yes that is true that if you are at a center, an NFB center, you can
>>> not use your dog during class. Again I do not know this for the truth
>>> but during the day, it can be used but not during O&M training.
>>> Nothing is wrong with a person needing to get better travel skills. I
>>> guess it is more of the wording that I do not agree with. And if this
>>> student is staying at the rehab center, then why would she not be
>>> able to use her dog after class?
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Meleah H. Jensen
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:39 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide
>>> dogpolicydoes notdiscriminate
>>>
>>> Hi Marcia and List,
>>> I can't speak for the other NFB centers, but I know that if you have
>>> a dog and are an LCB student you may not work your dog during class
>>> time. I see nothing wrong with the decision other than perhaps the
>>> way
>> it's worded.
>>> Going to a center and demanding to use my dog wouldn't be any more
>>> acceptable than me going to a dog school and demanding to use my cane
>>> once I've received my dog.
>>>
>>> Those are just my thoughts... I'll step down off my soap box now
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Meleah with Seeing Eye Dog Calvin
>>>
>>>
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