[nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept.forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoes notdiscriminate

Sat Feb 21 16:00:15 UTC 2009

Hi, Carlos.

I'll certainly write you off   list as you seem like a nice person to get to
know,  but I'm not sure I understood your answer.  Where is the dog when
you're in class, somewhere in the building, at your apartment, or where?

I remember you now, there was an article about you a few years ago in the
Florida Focus, Florida NFB newsletter, right?

Well, I have to say honestly that that policy would not be satisfactory for
me as a guide dog user whether a state president who's a guide dog user or
anyone else told me they approve it--grin.

I personally feel I know my own mind and what skills I need working on.
I remember hearing Peggy Elliot at the 1996 convention saying that the "dog
schools" maybe should have shorter programs.  Then what about the
Centers?--smile.  Six to nine months is a damned long time.

Remember, I'm certainly not trying to fight with you but these are my
opinions.
I'm often seen how E-mail makes things sound harsher than people mean their
statements to sound.  

Cordially,

Dan W. and the hilarious hounds  

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Carlos J montas
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:30 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept.forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoes
notdiscriminate

Good morning to you Dan, and listers. When the dog is not being used during
the day, my dog gets to interact with three other guide dogs. During are
brakes, and lunch time, we take the dogs out. We also work are dogs on
weekends and at night. It has not been a problem for me or for the Florida
president Kathy Davis  who is also a guide dog user. My issue is that I am
not going to let the fact that I have a guide dog stop me from attending one
of the best rehabilitation centers around the country. I believe that there
was a time where may be some folks in the nfb did not understand how guide
dogs work. How ever I believe that the president of nagdu and the rest of us
are working to change that perception. Let me also point out that Pam Allen
who is on the National board, and the executive director of the Louisiana
center for the blind is also a former guide dog user. She understands the
issues that a person entering the program may go through. How ever my
experience has been invaluable. I have not just learned about blindness but
I have learned about life in general, and about having high expectations for
my self at all times.If any one would like to write to me off list, my email
is carlos.montas at gmail.com Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoes
notdiscriminate

> First of all, good to have you here, Carlos.
>
> My name is Dan and I'm from Florida.
>
> So, if you can't use the dog from eight to five what on earth do you 
> do with your pup during that time?
> It sounds like the Louisiana Center's policy hasn't changed from that 
> of
> 12
> years ago when I was interested in going there.  It's not a policy I 
> would like  very much...but, oh well.
> Explain, please, someone, structured discovery in plain English--grin.
>
> So, good to meet you and hope you enjoy the list as I don't remember 
> seeing you before.
>
> Dan W. and the hilarious hounds
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Carlos J montas
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:55 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguidedogpolicydoes 
> notdiscriminate
>
> Good afternoon, my name is Carlos J montas. I am a guide dog user, and 
> I am also currently in training at the Louisiana center for the blind. 
> The policy is that students who have guide dogs may not use them 
> during the day that is from 8:00 to 5:00. I have not had any issues 
> while attending the Louisiana center for the blind when it pertains to 
> Gide dogs. The fact of the matter is that it is not possible to learn 
> the skills of cane travel while using the dog. I would say that it has 
> been my experience that because of my training, in structured 
> discovery I have become a better guide dog user.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marsha" <queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's 
> guidedogpolicydoes notdiscriminate
>
>
>>
>> Yes that is true that if you are at a center, an NFB center, you can 
>> not use your dog during class. Again I do not know this for the truth 
>> but during the day, it can be used but not during O&M training.
>> Nothing is wrong with a person needing to get better travel skills. I 
>> guess it is more of the wording that I do not agree with. And if this 
>> student is staying at the rehab center, then why would she not be 
>> able to use her dog after class?
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Meleah H. Jensen
>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:39 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide 
>> dogpolicydoes notdiscriminate
>>
>> Hi Marcia and List,
>> I can't speak for the other NFB centers, but I know that if you have 
>> a dog and are an LCB student you may not work your dog during class 
>> time. I see nothing wrong with the decision other than perhaps the 
>> way
> it's worded.
>> Going to a center and demanding to use my dog wouldn't be any more 
>> acceptable than me going to a dog school and demanding to use my cane 
>> once I've received my dog.
>>
>> Those are just my thoughts... I'll step down off my soap box now
>>
>> Best,
>> Meleah with Seeing Eye Dog Calvin
>>
>>
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