[nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoesnotdiscriminate

Sat Feb 21 22:59:49 UTC 2009

Where do these dogs stay while you are in class?

margo andElmo
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carlos J montas" <carlos.montas at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. 
forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoesnotdiscriminate

> Good morning to you Dan, and listers. When the dog is not being used 
> during the day, my dog gets to interact with three other guide dogs. 
> During are brakes, and lunch time, we take the dogs out. We also work are 
> dogs on weekends and at night. It has not been a problem for me or for the 
> Florida president Kathy Davis  who is also a guide dog user. My issue is 
> that I am not going to let the fact that I have a guide dog stop me from 
> attending one of the best rehabilitation centers around the country. I 
> believe that there was a time where may be some folks in the nfb did not 
> understand how guide dogs work. How ever I believe that the president of 
> nagdu and the rest of us are working to change that perception. Let me 
> also point out that Pam Allen who is on the National board, and the 
> executive director of the Louisiana center for the blind is also a former 
> guide dog user. She understands the issues that a person entering the 
> program may go through. How ever my experience has been invaluable. I have 
> not just learned about blindness but I have learned about life in general, 
> and about having high expectations for my self at all times.If any one 
> would like to write to me off list, my email is carlos.montas at gmail.com 
> Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoes 
> notdiscriminate
>
>
>> First of all, good to have you here, Carlos.
>>
>> My name is Dan and I'm from Florida.
>>
>> So, if you can't use the dog from eight to five what on earth do you do 
>> with
>> your pup during that time?
>> It sounds like the Louisiana Center's policy hasn't changed from that of 
>> 12
>> years ago when I was interested in going there.  It's not a policy I 
>> would
>> like  very much...but, oh well.
>> Explain, please, someone, structured discovery in plain English--grin.
>>
>> So, good to meet you and hope you enjoy the list as I don't remember 
>> seeing
>> you before.
>>
>> Dan W. and the hilarious hounds
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Carlos J montas
>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:55 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguidedogpolicydoes
>> notdiscriminate
>>
>> Good afternoon, my name is Carlos J montas. I am a guide dog user, and I 
>> am
>> also currently in training at the Louisiana center for the blind. The 
>> policy
>> is that students who have guide dogs may not use them during the day that 
>> is
>> from 8:00 to 5:00. I have not had any issues while attending the 
>> Louisiana
>> center for the blind when it pertains to Gide dogs. The fact of the 
>> matter
>> is that it is not possible to learn the skills of cane travel while using
>> the dog. I would say that it has been my experience that because of my
>> training, in structured discovery I have become a better guide dog user.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marsha" <queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guidedogpolicydoes
>> notdiscriminate
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Yes that is true that if you are at a center, an NFB center, you can
>>> not use your dog during class. Again I do not know this for the truth
>>> but during the day, it can be used but not during O&M training.
>>> Nothing is wrong with a person needing to get better travel skills. I
>>> guess it is more of the wording that I do not agree with. And if this
>>> student is staying at the rehab center, then why would she not be able
>>> to use her dog after class?
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Meleah H. Jensen
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:39 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide
>>> dogpolicydoes notdiscriminate
>>>
>>> Hi Marcia and List,
>>> I can't speak for the other NFB centers, but I know that if you have a
>>> dog and are an LCB student you may not work your dog during class
>>> time. I see nothing wrong with the decision other than perhaps the way
>> it's worded.
>>> Going to a center and demanding to use my dog wouldn't be any more
>>> acceptable than me going to a dog school and demanding to use my cane
>>> once I've received my dog.
>>>
>>> Those are just my thoughts... I'll step down off my soap box now
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Meleah with Seeing Eye Dog Calvin
>>>
>>>
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