[nagdu] Guide dogs at NFB Training Centers

Sat Feb 21 18:58:04 UTC 2009

Hi Carlos,
Where did your guide dog get to hang out with the 3 other dogs while you 
were in class at the NFB Center? You didn't have to leave it at home off 
campus?  Tell us more about what it was like to have the dog at the Center. 
I think many people think that the dog is totally alone in an off campus 
apartment all day long, every day for the 6 or 9 months you're at the 
Center.  That would be bad for the dog and its training.

Anyone else have the experience of having a guide dog and are enrolled at an 
NFB Center?  Personally, I think if I were to attend a Center, I'd do it 
between dogs so I would only have to concentrate on my training there and 
not have to worry about my dog. I would really like to see a real discussion 
on this issue without the high emotions running amok (grin). I can see the 
good points on both sides of the issue.  I would really like to see a good, 
honest, mature, non-emotional discussion on this issue and really look at 
ways to bring us together to create a really good solution that will benefit 
all.  Thanks.

Regards,

Linda and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carlos J montas" <carlos.montas at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept.forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoes 
notdiscriminate

> Good morning to you Dan, and listers. When the dog is not being used 
> during the day, my dog gets to interact with three other guide dogs. 
> During are brakes, and lunch time, we take the dogs out. We also work are 
> dogs on weekends and at night. It has not been a problem for me or for the 
> Florida president Kathy Davis  who is also a guide dog user. My issue is 
> that I am not going to let the fact that I have a guide dog stop me from 
> attending one of the best rehabilitation centers around the country. I 
> believe that there was a time where may be some folks in the nfb did not 
> understand how guide dogs work. How ever I believe that the president of 
> nagdu and the rest of us are working to change that perception. Let me 
> also point out that Pam Allen who is on the National board, and the 
> executive director of the Louisiana center for the blind is also a former 
> guide dog user. She understands the issues that a person entering the 
> program may go through. How ever my experience has been invaluable. I have 
> not just learned about blindness but I have learned about life in general, 
> and about having high expectations for my self at all times.If any one 
> would like to write to me off list, my email is carlos.montas at gmail.com 
> Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoes 
> notdiscriminate
>
>
>> First of all, good to have you here, Carlos.
>>
>> My name is Dan and I'm from Florida.
>>
>> So, if you can't use the dog from eight to five what on earth do you do 
>> with
>> your pup during that time?
>> It sounds like the Louisiana Center's policy hasn't changed from that of 
>> 12
>> years ago when I was interested in going there.  It's not a policy I 
>> would
>> like  very much...but, oh well.
>> Explain, please, someone, structured discovery in plain English--grin.
>>
>> So, good to meet you and hope you enjoy the list as I don't remember 
>> seeing
>> you before.
>>
>> Dan W. and the hilarious hounds
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Carlos J montas
>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:55 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguidedogpolicydoes
>> notdiscriminate
>>
>> Good afternoon, my name is Carlos J montas. I am a guide dog user, and I 
>> am
>> also currently in training at the Louisiana center for the blind. The 
>> policy
>> is that students who have guide dogs may not use them during the day that 
>> is
>> from 8:00 to 5:00. I have not had any issues while attending the 
>> Louisiana
>> center for the blind when it pertains to Gide dogs. The fact of the 
>> matter
>> is that it is not possible to learn the skills of cane travel while using
>> the dog. I would say that it has been my experience that because of my
>> training, in structured discovery I have become a better guide dog user.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marsha" <queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guidedogpolicydoes
>> notdiscriminate
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Yes that is true that if you are at a center, an NFB center, you can
>>> not use your dog during class. Again I do not know this for the truth
>>> but during the day, it can be used but not during O&M training.
>>> Nothing is wrong with a person needing to get better travel skills. I
>>> guess it is more of the wording that I do not agree with. And if this
>>> student is staying at the rehab center, then why would she not be able
>>> to use her dog after class?
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Meleah H. Jensen
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:39 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide
>>> dogpolicydoes notdiscriminate
>>>
>>> Hi Marcia and List,
>>> I can't speak for the other NFB centers, but I know that if you have a
>>> dog and are an LCB student you may not work your dog during class
>>> time. I see nothing wrong with the decision other than perhaps the way
>> it's worded.
>>> Going to a center and demanding to use my dog wouldn't be any more
>>> acceptable than me going to a dog school and demanding to use my cane
>>> once I've received my dog.
>>>
>>> Those are just my thoughts... I'll step down off my soap box now
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Meleah with Seeing Eye Dog Calvin
>>>
>>>
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