[nagdu] Juryfinds IADept.forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoes notdiscriminate

Carlos J montas carlos.montas at gmail.com
Sat Feb 21 23:35:32 UTC 2009 

Well the dogs are tied down and each of us is responsible for taking them 
out. there are not many issues. All of the dogs are well behaved.-----  
Original Message ----- 
From: "Angie Matney" <leadinglabbie at mpmail.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Juryfinds IADept.forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoes 
notdiscriminate


> Hi Carlos,
>
> Are the dogs supervised at all? As much detail as you feel comfortable 
> giving would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Best,
>
> Angie
>
> On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:23:37 -0600, Carlos J montas wrote:
>
>>Well like you said, we all have are opinions. As for your question about 
>>the
>>dogs the dogs are kept in a room through out the day. Write me off list if
>>you have any other questions.
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>>To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:00 AM
>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IADept.forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoes
>>notdiscriminate
>
>
>>> Hi, Carlos.
>>>
>>> I'll certainly write you off   list as you seem like a nice person to 
>>> get
>>> to
>>> know,  but I'm not sure I understood your answer.  Where is the dog when
>>> you're in class, somewhere in the building, at your apartment, or where?
>>>
>>> I remember you now, there was an article about you a few years ago in 
>>> the
>>> Florida Focus, Florida NFB newsletter, right?
>>>
>>> Well, I have to say honestly that that policy would not be satisfactory
>>> for
>>> me as a guide dog user whether a state president who's a guide dog user 
>>> or
>>> anyone else told me they approve it--grin.
>>>
>>> I personally feel I know my own mind and what skills I need working on.
>>> I remember hearing Peggy Elliot at the 1996 convention saying that the
>>> "dog
>>> schools" maybe should have shorter programs.  Then what about the
>>> Centers?--smile.  Six to nine months is a damned long time.
>>>
>>> Remember, I'm certainly not trying to fight with you but these are my
>>> opinions.
>>> I'm often seen how E-mail makes things sound harsher than people mean
>>> their
>>> statements to sound.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cordially,
>>>
>>> Dan W. and the hilarious hounds
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Carlos J montas
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:30 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept.forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoes
>>> notdiscriminate
>>>
>>> Good morning to you Dan, and listers. When the dog is not being used
>>> during
>>> the day, my dog gets to interact with three other guide dogs. During are
>>> brakes, and lunch time, we take the dogs out. We also work are dogs on
>>> weekends and at night. It has not been a problem for me or for the 
>>> Florida
>>> president Kathy Davis  who is also a guide dog user. My issue is that I 
>>> am
>>> not going to let the fact that I have a guide dog stop me from attending
>>> one
>>> of the best rehabilitation centers around the country. I believe that
>>> there
>>> was a time where may be some folks in the nfb did not understand how 
>>> guide
>>> dogs work. How ever I believe that the president of nagdu and the rest 
>>> of
>>> us
>>> are working to change that perception. Let me also point out that Pam
>>> Allen
>>> who is on the National board, and the executive director of the 
>>> Louisiana
>>> center for the blind is also a former guide dog user. She understands 
>>> the
>>> issues that a person entering the program may go through. How ever my
>>> experience has been invaluable. I have not just learned about blindness
>>> but
>>> I have learned about life in general, and about having high expectations
>>> for
>>> my self at all times.If any one would like to write to me off list, my
>>> email
>>> is carlos.montas at gmail.com Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:55 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoes
>>> notdiscriminate
>>>
>>>
>>>> First of all, good to have you here, Carlos.
>>>>
>>>> My name is Dan and I'm from Florida.
>>>>
>>>> So, if you can't use the dog from eight to five what on earth do you
>>>> do with your pup during that time?
>>>> It sounds like the Louisiana Center's policy hasn't changed from that
>>>> of
>>>> 12
>>>> years ago when I was interested in going there.  It's not a policy I
>>>> would like  very much...but, oh well.
>>>> Explain, please, someone, structured discovery in plain English--grin.
>>>>
>>>> So, good to meet you and hope you enjoy the list as I don't remember
>>>> seeing you before.
>>>>
>>>> Dan W. and the hilarious hounds
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Carlos J montas
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:55 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguidedogpolicydoes
>>>> notdiscriminate
>>>>
>>>> Good afternoon, my name is Carlos J montas. I am a guide dog user, and
>>>> I am also currently in training at the Louisiana center for the blind.
>>>> The policy is that students who have guide dogs may not use them
>>>> during the day that is from 8:00 to 5:00. I have not had any issues
>>>> while attending the Louisiana center for the blind when it pertains to
>>>> Gide dogs. The fact of the matter is that it is not possible to learn
>>>> the skills of cane travel while using the dog. I would say that it has
>>>> been my experience that because of my training, in structured
>>>> discovery I have become a better guide dog user.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Marsha" <queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:54 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's
>>>> guidedogpolicydoes notdiscriminate
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes that is true that if you are at a center, an NFB center, you can
>>>>> not use your dog during class. Again I do not know this for the truth
>>>>> but during the day, it can be used but not during O&M training.
>>>>> Nothing is wrong with a person needing to get better travel skills. I
>>>>> guess it is more of the wording that I do not agree with. And if this
>>>>> student is staying at the rehab center, then why would she not be
>>>>> able to use her dog after class?
>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Meleah H. Jensen
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:39 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide
>>>>> dogpolicydoes notdiscriminate
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Marcia and List,
>>>>> I can't speak for the other NFB centers, but I know that if you have
>>>>> a dog and are an LCB student you may not work your dog during class
>>>>> time. I see nothing wrong with the decision other than perhaps the
>>>>> way
>>>> it's worded.
>>>>> Going to a center and demanding to use my dog wouldn't be any more
>>>>> acceptable than me going to a dog school and demanding to use my cane
>>>>> once I've received my dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those are just my thoughts... I'll step down off my soap box now
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Meleah with Seeing Eye Dog Calvin
>>>>>
>>>>>
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