[nagdu] Juryfinds IADept.forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoesnotdiscriminate

Dan Weiner dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net
Sun Feb 22 00:36:07 UTC 2009


So, guys, what's the difference between Federation centers that want you to
put your dog in a room or somewhere and other rehab agencies which, in the
past, would have you kennel your dog or request you put it somewhere?

Dan W.


 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Margo and Elmo
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 6:01 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Juryfinds
IADept.forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoesnotdiscriminate

Who monitors the dogs while you are in class?  Are they just left in a room
by themselves?

margo and Elmo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos J montas" <carlos.montas at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds
IADept.forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoesnotdiscriminate


> Well like you said, we all have are opinions. As for your question 
> about the dogs the dogs are kept in a room through out the day. Write 
> me off list if you have any other questions.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IADept.forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoes
> notdiscriminate
>
>
>> Hi, Carlos.
>>
>> I'll certainly write you off   list as you seem like a nice person to get

>> to
>> know,  but I'm not sure I understood your answer.  Where is the dog when
>> you're in class, somewhere in the building, at your apartment, or where?
>>
>> I remember you now, there was an article about you a few years ago in the
>> Florida Focus, Florida NFB newsletter, right?
>>
>> Well, I have to say honestly that that policy would not be satisfactory 
>> for
>> me as a guide dog user whether a state president who's a guide dog user 
>> or
>> anyone else told me they approve it--grin.
>>
>> I personally feel I know my own mind and what skills I need working on.
>> I remember hearing Peggy Elliot at the 1996 convention saying that the 
>> "dog
>> schools" maybe should have shorter programs.  Then what about the
>> Centers?--smile.  Six to nine months is a damned long time.
>>
>> Remember, I'm certainly not trying to fight with you but these are my
>> opinions.
>> I'm often seen how E-mail makes things sound harsher than people mean 
>> their
>> statements to sound.
>>
>>
>> Cordially,
>>
>> Dan W. and the hilarious hounds
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Carlos J montas
>> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:30 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept.forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoes
>> notdiscriminate
>>
>> Good morning to you Dan, and listers. When the dog is not being used 
>> during
>> the day, my dog gets to interact with three other guide dogs. During are
>> brakes, and lunch time, we take the dogs out. We also work are dogs on
>> weekends and at night. It has not been a problem for me or for the 
>> Florida
>> president Kathy Davis  who is also a guide dog user. My issue is that I 
>> am
>> not going to let the fact that I have a guide dog stop me from attending 
>> one
>> of the best rehabilitation centers around the country. I believe that 
>> there
>> was a time where may be some folks in the nfb did not understand how 
>> guide
>> dogs work. How ever I believe that the president of nagdu and the rest of

>> us
>> are working to change that perception. Let me also point out that Pam 
>> Allen
>> who is on the National board, and the executive director of the Louisiana
>> center for the blind is also a former guide dog user. She understands the
>> issues that a person entering the program may go through. How ever my
>> experience has been invaluable. I have not just learned about blindness 
>> but
>> I have learned about life in general, and about having high expectations 
>> for
>> my self at all times.If any one would like to write to me off list, my 
>> email
>> is carlos.montas at gmail.com Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. forBlind'sguidedogpolicydoes
>> notdiscriminate
>>
>>
>>> First of all, good to have you here, Carlos.
>>>
>>> My name is Dan and I'm from Florida.
>>>
>>> So, if you can't use the dog from eight to five what on earth do you
>>> do with your pup during that time?
>>> It sounds like the Louisiana Center's policy hasn't changed from that
>>> of
>>> 12
>>> years ago when I was interested in going there.  It's not a policy I
>>> would like  very much...but, oh well.
>>> Explain, please, someone, structured discovery in plain English--grin.
>>>
>>> So, good to meet you and hope you enjoy the list as I don't remember
>>> seeing you before.
>>>
>>> Dan W. and the hilarious hounds
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Carlos J montas
>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:55 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguidedogpolicydoes
>>> notdiscriminate
>>>
>>> Good afternoon, my name is Carlos J montas. I am a guide dog user, and
>>> I am also currently in training at the Louisiana center for the blind.
>>> The policy is that students who have guide dogs may not use them
>>> during the day that is from 8:00 to 5:00. I have not had any issues
>>> while attending the Louisiana center for the blind when it pertains to
>>> Gide dogs. The fact of the matter is that it is not possible to learn
>>> the skills of cane travel while using the dog. I would say that it has
>>> been my experience that because of my training, in structured
>>> discovery I have become a better guide dog user.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Marsha" <queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 10:54 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's
>>> guidedogpolicydoes notdiscriminate
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes that is true that if you are at a center, an NFB center, you can
>>>> not use your dog during class. Again I do not know this for the truth
>>>> but during the day, it can be used but not during O&M training.
>>>> Nothing is wrong with a person needing to get better travel skills. I
>>>> guess it is more of the wording that I do not agree with. And if this
>>>> student is staying at the rehab center, then why would she not be
>>>> able to use her dog after class?
>>>> Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Meleah H. Jensen
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:39 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide
>>>> dogpolicydoes notdiscriminate
>>>>
>>>> Hi Marcia and List,
>>>> I can't speak for the other NFB centers, but I know that if you have
>>>> a dog and are an LCB student you may not work your dog during class
>>>> time. I see nothing wrong with the decision other than perhaps the
>>>> way
>>> it's worded.
>>>> Going to a center and demanding to use my dog wouldn't be any more
>>>> acceptable than me going to a dog school and demanding to use my cane
>>>> once I've received my dog.
>>>>
>>>> Those are just my thoughts... I'll step down off my soap box now
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Meleah with Seeing Eye Dog Calvin
>>>>
>>>>
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