[nagdu] NAGDU and NFB centers

Tracy Carcione carcione at access.net
Tue Feb 24 13:32:28 UTC 2009


Marion,
I'm all for ratinal discussion, and for knowing the facts before getting
all worked up.  It just would be nice if I had some confidence that the
other parties in the discussion were listening, too.
Tracy


> Tracy,
>     I have been in a leadership position with NAGDU for five years now and
> we have not had such a discussion. Furthermore, to the best of my
> recollection, neither did the previous administration solicit such an open
> discussion with the centers. Due to the recent decision and the intense
> passion of members on this list, the current NAGDU Board of Directors
> wants
> to have a dialogue with representatives from the NFB centers, the Iowa
> Commission for the Blind, and others who can help us understand the
> rationale for these policies. I think that it would be good to have an
> objective, rational dialogue with them rather than taking a hard-line,
> intolerant position and condemning them without all of the facts. Will you
> join us?
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:56 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] NAGDU and NFB centers
>
>
>> So we're going to discuss NFB center policy at the NAGDU meeting, again.
>> We've been discussing it since the centers started, at least 18 years,
>> by
>> my reckoning, and we haven't made a damned bit of difference.  Policies
>> have changed and improved, but it's my understanding that came from a
>> lawsuit or two, not from any discussion with us.  I think frustration
>> over
>> this issue was part of why Suzanne and Gigi decided to give up NAGDU
>> leadership, and I can totally understand that.
>>
>> Twenty years ago, a friend of mine was told by Helen Keller Services in
>> New York that he had to put his dog in their kennel while he was there
>> for
>> some testing.  We thought it was wrong.  But how can we fight against
>> such
>> things, when our own centers do essentially the same thing?
>>
>> Talk is good.  Discussion is good.  But it only works if both sides of
>> the
>> discussion actually listen, and I'm not convinced that is happening.  It
>> seems to me that the center directors have their set ideas, and that's
>> it.
>> We can either go along, or go somewhere else.
>>
>> I wouldn't expect to have my dog with me during cane class, of course.
>> I
>> could leave him elsewhere, probably, during cooking or woodshop, for his
>> own safety.  But I don't see why he couldn't be with me otherwise.  But
>> no, it's cane all the time, or don't bother to come here.  Glad I don't
>> need rehab.
>>
>> Our lack of progress on this is very frustrating to me. If Wayne's
>> center
>> in Texas can manage to integrate the guide dog into an NFB-style center,
>> then why can't NFB centers?
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>
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