[nagdu] O&M, Ownership, & Leader

Tue Feb 24 14:24:44 UTC 2009

Marion it is true that Leader Dogs gives you a probationary ownership of
your dog for two years. What schools besides the seeing eye give ownership
right after graduation?

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Marion & Martin
<swampfox1833 at verizon.net>wrote:

> Joy,
>   I heard that, as well. I also know, however, that Leader Dogs does not
> currently give ownership upon graduation, opting for a "probationary lease".
> I feel this change is regressive and reactive. Interestingly, when they
> attended our convention in 2007 after they changed their policy, they did
> not share this with the members. Were they trying to hide it?They tell their
> graduates that this is the current trend with all of the guide dog schools.
> It sounds as if they aren't being completely forthright!
>
> Fraternally,
> Marion Gwizdala
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry and Joy Relton" <
> relton30857 at cox.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguidedog
> policydoesnotdiscriminate
>
>
> For my own education, am I correct that Leader Dog will give cane travel
>> instruction to assist students enrolled in their training in improving
>> their
>> orientation and mobility? I thought I read that some where.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Marsha
>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:50 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguidedog policydoes
>> notdiscriminate
>>
>>
>>
>> No school is going to admit it, but yes there are schools in which do not
>> require such orientation like GDB and Seeing Eye does. But of course it
>> all
>> depends on the person too. Marsha
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Nicole B. Torcolini
>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:46 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guidedog policydoes
>> notdiscriminate
>>
>> This also raises an interesting question. Supposedly, if the person needs
>> more mobility training, the dog guide school would not have admitted them.
>> In other words, are some dog guide schools not strict enough on their
>> mobility requirements?
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "sarah baebler" <
>> wolvessarah at hotmail.com>
>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guidedog policydoes
>> not
>>
>> discriminate
>>
>>
>>
>> The way I took it was that they weren't leaving her out but wanted her to
>> get the fundamentals of cane travel before using the dog as a mobility
>> aid.
>> Just like in the center they want you to use the cane before if you have a
>> dog use that.  At GDB they test us to make sure we have good cane travel
>> before we're accepted into the program so I don't see why she was anti
>> trying.  I don't want to give up traveling with Dante all the time but I
>> would if I was being taught on cane travel.  Even in a new area I go out
>> with a cane and learn the area before I take my dog.  I just think they
>> could have made a plan.  To work with the cane even if she had the dog
>> with
>> her, or use the cane one week the dog the next.  I just think if your
>> learning cane travel then use the cane.  I agree that she shouldn't have
>> just left the dog home for the 6 months, or not use the dog at all. I
>> don't
>> know maybe I misinterpreded the article but that's what I got from
>> it. I also think people are too eager to sue sometimes instead of working
>> things out.
>> Sarah and Dante
>>
>> From: queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:40:54 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide dog
>>> policydoes
>>> not discriminate
>>>
>>> I do not understand myself. How is this center any different than one
>>> of
>>> our
>>> training centers? Even people who attend our centers can use their dogs.
>>> I
>>> understand the need to learn to use the cane, but if that person chooses
>>> to
>>> use a dog then so be it.
>>>
>>> Why do we always have to put the cane users against the guide dog
>>> users? Marsha
>>>
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