[nagdu] O&M, Ownership, & Leader

Tue Feb 24 15:26:06 UTC 2009

Marion, 

I agree. The ownership issue is only one of the many reasons I have obtained
my dogs from the seeing Eye. 

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Of Marion & Martin
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:12 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: [nagdu] O&M, Ownership, & Leader

Joy,
    I heard that, as well. I also know, however, that Leader Dogs does not 
currently give ownership upon graduation, opting for a "probationary lease".

I feel this change is regressive and reactive. Interestingly, when they 
attended our convention in 2007 after they changed their policy, they did 
not share this with the members. Were they trying to hide it?They tell their

graduates that this is the current trend with all of the guide dog schools. 
It sounds as if they aren't being completely forthright!

Fraternally,
Marion Gwizdala
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From: "Garry and Joy Relton" <relton30857 at cox.net>
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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguidedog 
policydoesnotdiscriminate

> For my own education, am I correct that Leader Dog will give cane 
> travel instruction to assist students enrolled in their training in 
> improving their orientation and mobility? I thought I read that some 
> where.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Marsha
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:50 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguidedog 
> policydoes notdiscriminate
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>
> No school is going to admit it, but yes there are schools in which do 
> not require such orientation like GDB and Seeing Eye does. But of 
> course it all depends on the person too. Marsha
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Nicole B. Torcolini
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:46 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guidedog 
> policydoes notdiscriminate
>
> This also raises an interesting question. Supposedly, if the person 
> needs more mobility training, the dog guide school would not have 
> admitted them. In other words, are some dog guide schools not strict 
> enough on their mobility requirements?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sarah baebler" <wolvessarah at hotmail.com>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guidedog policydoes 
> not
>
> discriminate
>
>
>
> The way I took it was that they weren't leaving her out but wanted her 
> to get the fundamentals of cane travel before using the dog as a 
> mobility aid. Just like in the center they want you to use the cane 
> before if you have a dog use that.  At GDB they test us to make sure 
> we have good cane travel before we're accepted into the program so I 
> don't see why she was anti trying.  I don't want to give up traveling 
> with Dante all the time but I would if I was being taught on cane 
> travel.  Even in a new area I go out with a cane and learn the area 
> before I take my dog.  I just think they could have made a plan.  To 
> work with the cane even if she had the dog with
> her, or use the cane one week the dog the next.  I just think if your
> learning cane travel then use the cane.  I agree that she shouldn't have
> just left the dog home for the 6 months, or not use the dog at all. I 
> don't
> know maybe I misinterpreded the article but that's what I got from
> it. I also think people are too eager to sue sometimes instead of working
> things out.
> Sarah and Dante
>
>> From: queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:40:54 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide dog 
>> policydoes not discriminate
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>> I do not understand myself. How is this center any different than one 
>> of our
>> training centers? Even people who attend our centers can use their dogs. 
>> I
>> understand the need to learn to use the cane, but if that person chooses
>> to
>> use a dog then so be it.
>>
>> Why do we always have to put the cane users against the guide dog 
>> users? Marsha
>>
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