[nagdu] O&M, Ownership, & Leader

Tue Feb 24 16:40:40 UTC 2009

I believe Guide Dogs of America does and I believe Guide dog Foundation does 
if you want that or they'll give you a partial ownership or something. 
Jenine, please help with this.

margo and Elmo
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lora and Myrtle" <blindhistory at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M, Ownership, & Leader

> Marion it is true that Leader Dogs gives you a probationary ownership of
> your dog for two years. What schools besides the seeing eye give ownership
> right after graduation?
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Marion & Martin
> <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>wrote:
>
>> Joy,
>>   I heard that, as well. I also know, however, that Leader Dogs does not
>> currently give ownership upon graduation, opting for a "probationary 
>> lease".
>> I feel this change is regressive and reactive. Interestingly, when they
>> attended our convention in 2007 after they changed their policy, they did
>> not share this with the members. Were they trying to hide it?They tell 
>> their
>> graduates that this is the current trend with all of the guide dog 
>> schools.
>> It sounds as if they aren't being completely forthright!
>>
>> Fraternally,
>> Marion Gwizdala
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry and Joy Relton" <
>> relton30857 at cox.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguidedog
>> policydoesnotdiscriminate
>>
>>
>> For my own education, am I correct that Leader Dog will give cane travel
>>> instruction to assist students enrolled in their training in improving
>>> their
>>> orientation and mobility? I thought I read that some where.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Marsha
>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:50 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguidedog policydoes
>>> notdiscriminate
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No school is going to admit it, but yes there are schools in which do 
>>> not
>>> require such orientation like GDB and Seeing Eye does. But of course it
>>> all
>>> depends on the person too. Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Nicole B. Torcolini
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:46 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guidedog policydoes
>>> notdiscriminate
>>>
>>> This also raises an interesting question. Supposedly, if the person 
>>> needs
>>> more mobility training, the dog guide school would not have admitted 
>>> them.
>>> In other words, are some dog guide schools not strict enough on their
>>> mobility requirements?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "sarah baebler" <
>>> wolvessarah at hotmail.com>
>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guidedog policydoes
>>> not
>>>
>>> discriminate
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The way I took it was that they weren't leaving her out but wanted her 
>>> to
>>> get the fundamentals of cane travel before using the dog as a mobility
>>> aid.
>>> Just like in the center they want you to use the cane before if you have 
>>> a
>>> dog use that.  At GDB they test us to make sure we have good cane travel
>>> before we're accepted into the program so I don't see why she was anti
>>> trying.  I don't want to give up traveling with Dante all the time but I
>>> would if I was being taught on cane travel.  Even in a new area I go out
>>> with a cane and learn the area before I take my dog.  I just think they
>>> could have made a plan.  To work with the cane even if she had the dog
>>> with
>>> her, or use the cane one week the dog the next.  I just think if your
>>> learning cane travel then use the cane.  I agree that she shouldn't have
>>> just left the dog home for the 6 months, or not use the dog at all. I
>>> don't
>>> know maybe I misinterpreded the article but that's what I got from
>>> it. I also think people are too eager to sue sometimes instead of 
>>> working
>>> things out.
>>> Sarah and Dante
>>>
>>> From: queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:40:54 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide dog
>>>> policydoes
>>>> not discriminate
>>>>
>>>> I do not understand myself. How is this center any different than one
>>>> of
>>>> our
>>>> training centers? Even people who attend our centers can use their 
>>>> dogs.
>>>> I
>>>> understand the need to learn to use the cane, but if that person 
>>>> chooses
>>>> to
>>>> use a dog then so be it.
>>>>
>>>> Why do we always have to put the cane users against the guide dog
>>>> users? Marsha
>>>>
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