[nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. forBlind's guidedog policy does notdiscriminate

[JULIE PHILLIPSON]

I think that is an excellent way of talking about all of this an adaptive 
tool to help us deal with the world as we find it!

Julie Phillipson
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> Angie,
>
> I prefer to use terms like adaptive tool and such, whether I'm talking 
> about
> my dog in her role as guide, my cane, JAWS, my mPower, whatever.  I guess 
> I
> think of an adaptive tool as a means for me to adapt to a sight-oriented
> world now that I am not sighted.  Or something on that order; I don't 
> think
> I put it very well.  I guess I mean that it's not so much about the tools'
> helping me adapt to blindness as it is about their enabling me to adapt to
> the world around me within the context of blindness.
>
> I did just crack up at the PowerPoint reference, though.  /smile/
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Angie Matney
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:32 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. forBlind's guidedog policy does 
> not
> discriminate
>
> Hi Nicole,
>
> You're exactly right. My objection isn't to this idea; it's to this misuse
> of the term "visual aid."
>
> Best,
>
> Angie
>
> On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:56:40 -0800, Nicole B. Torcolini wrote:
>
>>I think that part of the problem is that people, like Julie said, depend 
>>on
>
>>their dogs too much sometimes. There are certain things that I know that 
>>my
>
>>dog will almost certainly do, such as taking me to the lounge door when
>>crossing the courtyard at my dorm, but that is still no reason for me to
>>become oblivious to my surroundings; dog guides are still dogs and can
>>become distracted or simply mess up for no particular reason. Humans are
> not
>>perfect, so why should dogs be expected to be?
>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Angie Matney" <leadinglabbie at mpmail.net>
>>To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:52 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guidedog policy does
>>not discriminate
>
>
>>Hi Julie P,
>
>>You make some excellent points in your post. I understand the logic of
> their
>>position (though I think it is taken to an extreme, and often, such
>>extremism is not healthy). But I really do believe that calling a dog a
>>"visual aid" as a pretty unforgivable
>>attack on the English language. (grin) This is simply not a standard way 
>>of
>
>>talking about these things. I think that one of the first people to
>>introduce this specious terminology was Paul Gabias (sp?), a guide-dog 
>>user
>
>>and (for a few years) a leader in
>>NAGDU. I think that if a member of the general public heard the term
> "visual
>>aid" in reference to training for blind people, they'd take a stab at
>>defining it and likely get it wrong. So a statement that "visual aids,
>>including guide dogs" are against
>>center policy is likely confusing.
>
>>JMO,
>
>>Angie
>
>
>
>
>
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