[nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. forBlind's guidedog policy doesnotdiscriminate

Wed Feb 25 15:00:09 UTC 2009

angie, I like that.  the tools help us adapt to the world and to be 
productive citizens enjoying that world.

margo and Elmo
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From: "JULIE PHILLIPSON" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
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>I think that is an excellent way of talking about all of this an adaptive 
>tool to help us deal with the world as we find it!
>
> Julie Phillipson
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>> Angie,
>>
>> I prefer to use terms like adaptive tool and such, whether I'm talking 
>> about
>> my dog in her role as guide, my cane, JAWS, my mPower, whatever.  I guess 
>> I
>> think of an adaptive tool as a means for me to adapt to a sight-oriented
>> world now that I am not sighted.  Or something on that order; I don't 
>> think
>> I put it very well.  I guess I mean that it's not so much about the 
>> tools'
>> helping me adapt to blindness as it is about their enabling me to adapt 
>> to
>> the world around me within the context of blindness.
>>
>> I did just crack up at the PowerPoint reference, though.  /smile/
>>
>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Angie Matney
>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:32 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. forBlind's guidedog policy does 
>> not
>> discriminate
>>
>> Hi Nicole,
>>
>> You're exactly right. My objection isn't to this idea; it's to this 
>> misuse
>> of the term "visual aid."
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Angie
>>
>> On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:56:40 -0800, Nicole B. Torcolini wrote:
>>
>>>I think that part of the problem is that people, like Julie said, depend 
>>>on
>>
>>>their dogs too much sometimes. There are certain things that I know that 
>>>my
>>
>>>dog will almost certainly do, such as taking me to the lounge door when
>>>crossing the courtyard at my dorm, but that is still no reason for me to
>>>become oblivious to my surroundings; dog guides are still dogs and can
>>>become distracted or simply mess up for no particular reason. Humans are
>> not
>>>perfect, so why should dogs be expected to be?
>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: "Angie Matney" <leadinglabbie at mpmail.net>
>>>To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:52 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guidedog policy does
>>>not discriminate
>>
>>
>>>Hi Julie P,
>>
>>>You make some excellent points in your post. I understand the logic of
>> their
>>>position (though I think it is taken to an extreme, and often, such
>>>extremism is not healthy). But I really do believe that calling a dog a
>>>"visual aid" as a pretty unforgivable
>>>attack on the English language. (grin) This is simply not a standard way 
>>>of
>>
>>>talking about these things. I think that one of the first people to
>>>introduce this specious terminology was Paul Gabias (sp?), a guide-dog 
>>>user
>>
>>>and (for a few years) a leader in
>>>NAGDU. I think that if a member of the general public heard the term
>> "visual
>>>aid" in reference to training for blind people, they'd take a stab at
>>>defining it and likely get it wrong. So a statement that "visual aids,
>>>including guide dogs" are against
>>>center policy is likely confusing.
>>
>>>JMO,
>>
>>>Angie
>>
>>
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