[nagdu] O&M, Ownership, & Leader

Lora and Myrtle blindhistory at gmail.com
Wed Feb 25 14:28:22 UTC 2009


I believe GDB has a one year probationary period.



On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:05 AM, Marion & Martin
<swampfox1833 at verizon.net>wrote:

> Lora,
>   to the best of my knowledge, all schools except Leader and Guiding Eyes
> transfers ownership upon graduation. If anyone has information different
> than this, please share it with the list.
>
> Fraternally,
> Marion Gwizdala
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lora and Myrtle" <
> blindhistory at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M, Ownership, & Leader
>
>
>   Marion it is true that Leader Dogs gives you a probationary ownership of
>> your dog for two years. What schools besides the seeing eye give ownership
>> right after graduation?
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Marion & Martin
>> <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>wrote:
>>
>> Joy,
>>>  I heard that, as well. I also know, however, that Leader Dogs does not
>>> currently give ownership upon graduation, opting for a "probationary
>>> lease".
>>> I feel this change is regressive and reactive. Interestingly, when they
>>> attended our convention in 2007 after they changed their policy, they did
>>> not share this with the members. Were they trying to hide it?They tell
>>> their
>>> graduates that this is the current trend with all of the guide dog
>>> schools.
>>> It sounds as if they aren't being completely forthright!
>>>
>>> Fraternally,
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry and Joy Relton" <
>>> relton30857 at cox.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <
>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguidedog
>>> policydoesnotdiscriminate
>>>
>>>
>>> For my own education, am I correct that Leader Dog will give cane travel
>>>
>>>> instruction to assist students enrolled in their training in improving
>>>> their
>>>> orientation and mobility? I thought I read that some where.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Marsha
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:50 AM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguidedog policydoes
>>>> notdiscriminate
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No school is going to admit it, but yes there are schools in which do
>>>> not
>>>> require such orientation like GDB and Seeing Eye does. But of course it
>>>> all
>>>> depends on the person too. Marsha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Nicole B. Torcolini
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:46 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guidedog policydoes
>>>> notdiscriminate
>>>>
>>>> This also raises an interesting question. Supposedly, if the person
>>>> needs
>>>> more mobility training, the dog guide school would not have admitted
>>>> them.
>>>> In other words, are some dog guide schools not strict enough on their
>>>> mobility requirements?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "sarah baebler" <
>>>> wolvessarah at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:15 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guidedog policydoes
>>>> not
>>>>
>>>> discriminate
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The way I took it was that they weren't leaving her out but wanted her
>>>> to
>>>> get the fundamentals of cane travel before using the dog as a mobility
>>>> aid.
>>>> Just like in the center they want you to use the cane before if you have
>>>> a
>>>> dog use that.  At GDB they test us to make sure we have good cane travel
>>>> before we're accepted into the program so I don't see why she was anti
>>>> trying.  I don't want to give up traveling with Dante all the time but I
>>>> would if I was being taught on cane travel.  Even in a new area I go out
>>>> with a cane and learn the area before I take my dog.  I just think they
>>>> could have made a plan.  To work with the cane even if she had the dog
>>>> with
>>>> her, or use the cane one week the dog the next.  I just think if your
>>>> learning cane travel then use the cane.  I agree that she shouldn't have
>>>> just left the dog home for the 6 months, or not use the dog at all. I
>>>> don't
>>>> know maybe I misinterpreded the article but that's what I got from
>>>> it. I also think people are too eager to sue sometimes instead of
>>>> working
>>>> things out.
>>>> Sarah and Dante
>>>>
>>>> From: queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:40:54 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide dog
>>>>> policydoes
>>>>> not discriminate
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not understand myself. How is this center any different than one
>>>>> of
>>>>> our
>>>>> training centers? Even people who attend our centers can use their
>>>>> dogs.
>>>>> I
>>>>> understand the need to learn to use the cane, but if that person
>>>>> chooses
>>>>> to
>>>>> use a dog then so be it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do we always have to put the cane users against the guide dog
>>>>> users? Marsha
>>>>>
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