[nagdu] O&M, Ownership, & Leader

Wed Feb 25 23:53:10 UTC 2009

GDB does not. See my previous post on GDB ownership policy.
Just my thoughts on returning a dog...
I know that you build a bond with your dog. But, if the dog does not work 
for you, but is still a potential working dog, just think how much time, 
money, energy, and resources that are saved if the dog can be matched with 
another person.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M, Ownership, & Leader

Lora,
    to the best of my knowledge, all schools except Leader and Guiding Eyes
transfers ownership upon graduation. If anyone has information different
than this, please share it with the list.

Fraternally,
Marion Gwizdala
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lora and Myrtle" <blindhistory at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] O&M, Ownership, & Leader

> Marion it is true that Leader Dogs gives you a probationary ownership of
> your dog for two years. What schools besides the seeing eye give ownership
> right after graduation?
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Marion & Martin
> <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>wrote:
>
>> Joy,
>>   I heard that, as well. I also know, however, that Leader Dogs does not
>> currently give ownership upon graduation, opting for a "probationary
>> lease".
>> I feel this change is regressive and reactive. Interestingly, when they
>> attended our convention in 2007 after they changed their policy, they did
>> not share this with the members. Were they trying to hide it?They tell
>> their
>> graduates that this is the current trend with all of the guide dog
>> schools.
>> It sounds as if they aren't being completely forthright!
>>
>> Fraternally,
>> Marion Gwizdala
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry and Joy Relton" <
>> relton30857 at cox.net>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 3:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguidedog
>> policydoesnotdiscriminate
>>
>>
>> For my own education, am I correct that Leader Dog will give cane travel
>>> instruction to assist students enrolled in their training in improving
>>> their
>>> orientation and mobility? I thought I read that some where.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Marsha
>>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:50 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind'sguidedog policydoes
>>> notdiscriminate
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No school is going to admit it, but yes there are schools in which do
>>> not
>>> require such orientation like GDB and Seeing Eye does. But of course it
>>> all
>>> depends on the person too. Marsha
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Nicole B. Torcolini
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:46 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guidedog policydoes
>>> notdiscriminate
>>>
>>> This also raises an interesting question. Supposedly, if the person
>>> needs
>>> more mobility training, the dog guide school would not have admitted
>>> them.
>>> In other words, are some dog guide schools not strict enough on their
>>> mobility requirements?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "sarah baebler" <
>>> wolvessarah at hotmail.com>
>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guidedog policydoes
>>> not
>>>
>>> discriminate
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The way I took it was that they weren't leaving her out but wanted her
>>> to
>>> get the fundamentals of cane travel before using the dog as a mobility
>>> aid.
>>> Just like in the center they want you to use the cane before if you have
>>> a
>>> dog use that.  At GDB they test us to make sure we have good cane travel
>>> before we're accepted into the program so I don't see why she was anti
>>> trying.  I don't want to give up traveling with Dante all the time but I
>>> would if I was being taught on cane travel.  Even in a new area I go out
>>> with a cane and learn the area before I take my dog.  I just think they
>>> could have made a plan.  To work with the cane even if she had the dog
>>> with
>>> her, or use the cane one week the dog the next.  I just think if your
>>> learning cane travel then use the cane.  I agree that she shouldn't have
>>> just left the dog home for the 6 months, or not use the dog at all. I
>>> don't
>>> know maybe I misinterpreded the article but that's what I got from
>>> it. I also think people are too eager to sue sometimes instead of
>>> working
>>> things out.
>>> Sarah and Dante
>>>
>>> From: queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com
>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:40:54 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide dog
>>>> policydoes
>>>> not discriminate
>>>>
>>>> I do not understand myself. How is this center any different than one
>>>> of
>>>> our
>>>> training centers? Even people who attend our centers can use their
>>>> dogs.
>>>> I
>>>> understand the need to learn to use the cane, but if that person
>>>> chooses
>>>> to
>>>> use a dog then so be it.
>>>>
>>>> Why do we always have to put the cane users against the guide dog
>>>> users? Marsha
>>>>
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