[nagdu] PETA opposes the use of guide dogs

Fri Jan 16 18:25:33 UTC 2009

    Nearly every school mention's "dignity" as one of the "virtues" imparted 
by a guide dog. Check out their websites for yourself.

Fraternally,
Marion


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Garry and Joy Relton" <relton30857 at cox.net>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] PETA opposes the use of guide dogs


> Marion,
>
> I have never looked at the "dignity" as being imparted by the school. I
> think, at least for the Seeing Eye, the dignity comes from having received
> training in the use of a mobility tool which gives the person confidence 
> and
> dignity. Obviously training in the use of the long white cane will do the
> same. I would be curios to understand what you meant by your statement. 
> Or,
> am I misunderstanding you?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Marion & Martin
> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:20 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PETA opposes the use of guide dogs
>
>
> Helene,
>    Many of the guide dog schools in the States promulgate the myth that a
> blind person cannot function without their guide dog. Furthermore, most
> assert that the blind person's dignity is founded in their guide dog, as
> nearly all mention "dignity" as one of the gifts imparted upon the blind 
> by
> the school. Of course, this myth helps the school raise funds and they 
> seem
> to not care that it is disrespectful and denegrating to the blind who do 
> not
>
> use guide dogs which, of course, is most of the blind!
>
> Fraternally,
> Marion gwizdala
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "helene ryles" <dreamavdb at googlemail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PETA opposes the use of guide dogs
>
>
>>I am all for Animal rights and I do understand that some people from
>>the animal rights movement are against working animals. I can only
>>hope if they get to meet me and Jilli they might change their mind.
>>However their IS a lot of animal cruelty going on.
>>
>> I can't comment about working dogs in USA since I don't live there.
>> However I have heard of guide dog owners not letting their dogs off
>> the leases for a bit of play time. In England some guide dog owners do
>> this, some don't. But it's not something that's enforced very much. I
>> think it should be.
>>
>> Jilli is just about to retire. Strangely enough when I told some of my
>> vegan friends about it they thought I would 'need' another dog and
>> actively encouraged me to get one. So it seems they believe in another
>> myth that blind need dogs to take care of them. That I won't be able
>> to manage without a dog. Sigh.
>>
>> My dad wants to keep Jilli after she's retired and also believes in
>> that Myth.  However I really want to keep her with me.
>>
>> When Jilli retires I'm not going for another dog until Jilli leaves
>> this earth. I'm going to use a long cane instead. At least while Jilli
>> is alive.
>>
>> Helene.
>>
>> On 12/01/2009, Margo and Elmo <margo.downey at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> merry, that was a good email to Ms. Daphne.
>>>
>>> margo and Elmo
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Margo and Elmo" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 8:01 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] PETA opposes the use of guide dogs
>>>
>>>
>>>>I think she needs some emails.
>>>>
>>>> peta has been after us for a long time.
>>>>
>>>> margo and Elmo
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Chasity Jackson" <chasityvanda at charter.net>
>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 7:24 PM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] PETA opposes the use of guide dogs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >From an interview with Daphna Nachminovitch, Vice-President of
>>>>> >Cruelty
>>>>> Investigations for PETA, in the Los Angeles Times blog L.A.
>>>>> Unleashed (posted 1/10/09):
>>>>>
>>>>> [NACHMINOVITCH:] There will never be a perfect world, but in the
>>>>> world we're in now, we support some working dog situations and
>>>>> decry others. Hearing dog programs that pull dogs from animal
>>>>> shelters and ensure that they are in safe and loving homes have our
>>>>> stamp of approval; they live with the family for their entire life,
>>>>> they learn interesting things, enjoy life, and love helping. On the
>>>>> other hand, we oppose most seeing-eye-dog programs because the dogs
>>>>> are bred as if there are no equally intelligent dogs literally
>>>>> dying for homes in shelters, they are
>>>>> kept in harnesses almost 24/7, people are prohibited from petting or
>>>>> playing with them and they cannot romp and run and interact with other
>>>>> dogs; and their lives are repeatedly disrupted (they are trained for
>>>>> months in one home and bond, then sent to a second, and after years of
>>>>> bonding with the person they have "served," they are whisked away 
>>>>> again
>>>>> because they are old and no longer "useful"). We have a member who is
>>>>> blind who actually moved states to avoid "returning" her beloved dog.
>>>>> We
>>>>> feel that the human community should do more to support blind people,
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> give dogs a break. A deaf person can see if a dog has a medical
>>>>> issue such as blood in her urine, a blind person living alone
>>>>> cannot, and so on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Read the whole article (with the option to leave a comment) here:
>>>>>
>>>>> <href="
>>>>> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/unleashed/2009/01/when-we-first-r.h
>>>>> tml>
>>>>> You can e-mail Daphna Nachminovitch at DaphnaN at peta.org
>>>>> , or call her at 757-622-7382, extension 1338.
>>>>>
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