[nagdu] A Discrimination Database

Wed Jan 28 14:39:52 UTC 2009

Angie,
    Perhaps Joy and you could work on this together. What I would like to 
see are actual cases that could be researched and cited. Please let me know. 
We have several cases in Florida.

Fraternally,
Marion


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Angie Matney" <leadinglabbie at mpmail.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] A Discrimination Database


>I think this is a great idea too. I have been doing a little research in 
>this area myself.
>
> Angie
>
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:01:46 -0500, Garry and Joy Relton wrote:
>
>>Marion and Tami,
>
>>That sounds great to me. I graduated from law school over twenty years ago
>>so can do research and more recently did advocacy work on disability 
>>rights
>>so this would definitely be up my alley. I've used data bases rarely but
>>figure I can work things out. One suggestion that I have is that we 
>>contact
>>the dog guide schools because many of them have collected some of the
>>information and would probably b able to give us a hand. Especially if
>>appropriate credit was given for their efforts.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>Of Tamara Smith-Kinney
>>Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 2:28 PM
>>To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] A Discrimination Database
>
>
>>Marion and Joy,
>
>>I agree that this is an excellent idea!  Our website will soon be
>>database-driven, and this will be an excellent addition.
>
>>Tami Smith-Kinney
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>Of Marion & Martin
>>Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:27 PM
>>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>Subject: [nagdu] A Discrimination Database
>
>>Joy,
>>    I think your idea of having a database of guide dog user 
>> discrimination
>>cases is an excellent one. We have at least one attorney and one law 
>>student
>
>>on this list, so perhaps we can look into this for our website.
>
>>Marion
>
>
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Garry and Joy Relton" <relton30857 at cox.net>
>>To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:11 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] Enforcement
>
>
>>> Hi Marion,
>>>
>>> Do we have any sort of data base started recording various instances
>>> of discrimination with dog guides and the resolution? If not, that
>>> might be a good thing to start. I would be willing to help with it.
>>>
>>> Joy and Belle
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Marion & Martin
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:41 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Enforcement
>>>
>>>
>>> Ron,
>>>    Please write to me off-list at
>>> president at nfb-nagdu.org
>>> In what state did this occur? There may be other options.
>>>
>>> Fraternally,
>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> National Federation of the blind
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ron Davidson" <fuzzy_1 at cox.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:42 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Enforcement
>>>
>>>
>>>>I found out recently that the ADA laws are not the easiest to get
>>>>enforced. I was denied access to a local restraint with my guide dog
>>>>and as I was taught in school did not force my way in.  I explained
>>>>the law to the management and they still refused. They changed their
>>>>mind after I asked them to call the police to have me removed and they
>>>>refused to do this so I
>>>
>>>>called the police and filed a complaint or report. When I got home I
>>>>filled
>>>
>>>>out a complaint form with the DOJ and also with the state attorney
>>>>generals
>>>
>>>>office  because I received a email from DOJ saying to do so. The state
>>>>attorneys generals office emailed me and told me they couldn't enforce
>>>>the federal law and to contact my local City ADA compliance office
>>>>they sent me
>>>
>>>>to the district attorneys office and they sent me to the Human Rights
>>>>Commission. Then I received a letter from a law office that worked as
>>>>mediators and we set up and met with the restraint owners and worked
>>>>out a settlement. The restraint then broke the  contract of settlement
>>>>with me and I recontacted the mediators office and  they said there
>>>>was nothing more they could do. I contacted the DOJ and  they said the
>>>>only thing I could do was privately sue the restraint and  the state
>>>>has limitations on the amount I could receive and may not be  enough
>>>>to cover my legal fees. Is this normally how this works a big run
>>>>around just to be dumped on. I think if we give local agencies the
>>>>power  to enforce the ada laws that would help maybe I am wrong. By
>>>>the way the  terms of the contract was that I and someone from the
>>>>local low vision  center would train all their employees on how to
>>>>deal with as far as  sight
>>>
>>>> guiding and waiting on us and other things helpful for them to know
>>>> just some educating of the public and the management thought that was
>>>> a great idea.  But he never had a intensions of sticking to the terms
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