[nagdu] Questionable web site

Fri Jun 19 20:03:58 UTC 2009

My two ID cards had pictures of me with the  dog.

Angie

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Julie J
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 3:49 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Questionable web site

Unethical perhaps. Illegal, I don't think so.

There are several places that I have found on the internet where you can 
purchase an ID card for much cheaper.  Most are in the $20 to $50 range. 
Some have information that is legally accurate about what exactly the card 
is and what it can and can't do.  Others just sell the cards without any 
questions or explanations.  If people want to they could make an ID card at 
home with a digital camera, a printer that does photos, some plastic 
laminate )available at Walmart) and an iron.

Out of curiosity do the ID cards from guide dog programs have a picture of 
the dog, the person or both?

Julie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Angie Matney" <angie.matney at gmail.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Questionable web site

> Hi Julie,
>
> I can see the appeal of having an ID card, too. I just think that $365 
> might
> be a little much to pay, particularly when people might be misled into
> thinking they will get more legal "support" than this firm would provide.
> The existence of the "agreement" on the order page doesn't really allay my
> fears. If there is trouble, all the organization has to do is state that, 
> to
> the best of their knowledge, a particular dog was a service animal. The
> person with the spurious animal might be in legal trouble, but I don't 
> know
> that there is a law forbidding people from providing materials to "service
> animals."
>
> They mention in their FAQ that some organizations do extensive testing
> before certifying a dog, but this organization does *nothing,* except
> collect $365. I recognize that having some sort of "test" presents all 
> sorts
> of problems (that's why we don't now have national certification for 
> service
> animals). But this site, with its domain "bring your dog anywhere dot 
> com,"
> makes me nervous. Maybe their intentions are good, but it looks suspicious
> to me.
>
> On Jun 19, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Julie J wrote:
>
>> You know I didn't even register a difference!  I suppose that's what
>> they are hoping.  That could be a problem.
>>
>> I still think in regard to the certification etc. that it's okay.
>> They aren't saying that your dog has to be certified, only that
>> becoming certified with them has advantages.  As an owner trainer I
>> can see the appeal of having an ID card and the name of a law firm
>> that businesses can call with access questions.   I don't have an ID
>> card and have no intention of acquiring one because it's not
>> required.  However, I can definitely see how some people might want
>> to have that as a back up plan.
>>
>> JMHO
>> Julie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angie Matney" <angie.matney at gmail.com
>> >
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Questionable web site
>>
>>
>>> Hi Julie,
>>>
>>> Actually, they mention legal *support,* not legal representation. I
>>> am
>>> looking, but I cannot find the information identifying this Beverly
>>> Hills
>>> firm. This looks suspicious to me. (Attorneys from such a firm could
>>> certainly represent people in other jurisdictions in some
>>> instances, but I
>>> would imagine the extent of the "support" might be a form letter.)
>>>
>>> It is possible that I am wrong. It just looks a bit odd to me.
>>>
>>> Angie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Julie J
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:13 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Questionable web site
>>>
>>> I just checked out this site and honestly it seems legitimate  to me.
>>> On the service dogs information page they clearly state that
>>> certification
>>> is not required.   They are selling equipment like many other
>>> places on the
>>> internet do.  In addition they are offering a physician
>>> consultation and
>>> legal representation.
>>>
>>> The fact that they are asking for people to state that they have a
>>> disability, explaining the legal issues surrounding service animals
>>> and
>>> requiring that you submit an agreement that could probably be used
>>> in court
>>> says to me that they are being responsible.
>>>
>>> There are numerous places on the internet to purchase capes,
>>> patches and
>>> bandanas that say "service dog" with absolutely no questions
>>> whatsoever.
>>> This site does not appear to be one of them.
>>>
>>> JMHO of course
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angie Matney" 
>>> <angie.matney at gmail.com
>
>>> >
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 3:47 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Questionable web site
>>>
>>>
>>>> Someone sent this link to me. The site purports to "certify" that
>>>> your dog
>>>> is a service dog for $365. It also implies that you will receive
>>>> "support"
>>>> frmo a Beverly Hills law firm if you encounter problems.  The site
>>>> does
>>>> ask
>>>> that people specify they have a disability, but all that is
>>>> required is
>>>> that
>>>> the persno check a box.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bringyourdoganywhere.com/index.php
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe the NAGDU site could incorporate a statement warning people
>>>> against
>>>> places that offer to certify their service dogs in such a manner.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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