[nagdu] ID cards for sale online

Tue Jun 23 20:44:03 UTC 2009

Linda, 
Do tell us more. How did you get the harness, and why did you do this?
If pet dogs could be on-leash and accompany you, why pretend it's a
guide dog? 
What motivates someone to do this? 
And hats off for having the um, anatomy to share this on list. Do tell
us more.  

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Linda Gwizdak
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 12:34 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] ID cards for sale online

Hi All,
I have been using guide dogs sinse 1973 and I can think of only a
handful of times I've been asked to show my school ID - and these times
were all in the 1970s way before the ADA!

So, all my IDs from the schools just sit there in my wallet and then get
moved to a photo album when the dog retires! (grin!)

I think with 80 years of guide dogs, people just think "dog = blind".
This is more of a problem with partials who can see pretty good. It is
much more of a problem for a visually impaired person in a wheelchair.
People don't see as many of these folks. I come across tons of people in
wheelchairs on the busses, trolleys, and on the streets of San Diego.
NONE of them have a service dog!  Disabled people using service dogs is
much newer in concept
(1972 with CCI) than guide dogs. Disabled people have to go through what
Morris Frank went through (groan!) which, I think, shouldn't be
happening. 
Then you add in the mix those who look perfectly able bodied who have
dogs. 
And the fakers!  I'm sorry that all you guys are going through lots of
troubles with access. You'd think people should be used to us all with
dogs and the laws that are there to protect us.

I think if the folks who make themselves stick out by bringing an
untrained or unsuitable dog into public  - real service dog or not, real
disabled person or not - just invite problems. And cause problems for
everyone else with real service dogs.

A long time ago, before I got my first guide dog, I brought a pet dog on
the train into another state. I made a harness and walked with the dog
with my white cane!  Nobody said "boo" about it. Everyone just assumed
that it was a real guide dog.  How did I pull this off?  This dog was
very well behaved, learned how to ride under the seat like wwe do with
our guide dogs - and he sorta guided me! He would watch my roommate's
guide dog and imitated it! 
This dog was a black Lab mix and very smart. He loved to ride the
subway! 
Back then all leashed dogs were welcome on the transit system as long as
they didn't cause problems.

This dog's undoing was being off leash.  After I gave him to my family
when I went for a guide dog, he got loose, ran out in the street and got
himself killed. A real plug for off leash training!  Had he had this and
had I known how to train for it, he would have lived a nice long doggy
life.

Cheers,

Linda and Landon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bunny Davidson" <bunnydavidson at live.com>
To: "National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 9:29 PM
Subject: [nagdu] ID cards for sale online

hi all,

way back when i began using a service dog (over a dozen years and 2 dogs

ago) I had

gotten hastled so many times in malls, and stores, restarants et...

so i went online, saw the sites selling service dog id cards, jotted
down 
some notes,

went into photoshop and word perfect and designed my own.

First i stated on card that under the law

disabled people are not required to carry proof that dog is a service
dog,

and a summary of the ADA service dog deal, the ADA 800#, and my name as 
handler/owner.

and i put a photo of my service dog in vest on it,

I did not put my address as i felt that would be too much info for some
of 
these yo-yo's

(hey im a disabled woman and here is where i live, come get me!!!)lol

I then took the plastic fishing license holder with pin on back and
shoved 
the newly made ID card into it.

then i put it inside the zipper compartment of dogs service vest...

I always told folks (and still do) if they give me a hard time, ask for
ID, 
certification et.. that

the ADA says disabled people dont have to carry a card or proove we are 
disabled and in fact

there is no LEGAL certification of service dogs in the entire
USA...(school 
certification is not federal usa certification)

If they are still all upity about it i produce the card, show them, ask
them 
to copy the 800# and to contact them for info on service dogs in places

of biz.. i tell them to ask dept of J to send them the documents on this
so 
they dont end up in civil court for violation of civil rights, or fines
or 
both.

I dont like the idea of producing a card because then folks think all
people 
with a service dog HAVE TO HAVE A CARD and if not, no admit to shop
et...

I think if you have a SD ID card and feel the harrasment warrents
display of 
it,prequisit with "ada doesnt certify any dogs for service and furthr
there 
is no law requiring I carry an ID card.

just my 2cents...(please hold back the tomatoe flinging)...

bunny who is tired and still recouperating from the car wreck 8 weeks
ago.

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