[nagdu] Labrador-Poodle cross

Tue Mar 3 20:38:04 UTC 2009

Ironically, I have had four labs and one golden retriever and experienced
the same assurances from others that my dog "is not a...". My husband and I
often laugh because I once was approached by a young child who said "I have
a dog just like that at home, except she shorted, and brown and she has
curly hair". Garry and I often laugh and add to ourselves "and it's a
poodle". 

I have learned a great deal about the different types (not the correct
scientific word" of Labradors in having discussions with people on the
street. People are such interesting animals.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Tamara Smith-Kinney
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:27 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Labrador-Poodle cross

Merry,

The first time I had Mitzi clipped, I had them give her an all over short
cut, just so I could find out what was under all those curls.  What was
under the curls was a black, velvet-coated Viszla!  The lines are really
almost identical.  I wonder if, sometime in the dim and distant past, the
two breeds are related?  There do seem to be a lot of similarities of
temperament, as well.

I would keep on getting Mitzi done that way, since I really love those
lines.  But I now keep a "hint of poodle" in her cut just so people don't
come running to ask what kind of dog she is.  /smile/  I did once find
myself having a debate in the corner store on the subject with a kindly old
gentlemen who was determined to correct my misinformation on the subject,
since my dog was so clearly not a poodle.  /smile/

Tami Smith-Kinney

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Merry Schoch
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:31 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Labrador-Poodle cross

Jenine,

You just described my Viszla.  He was absolutely brillant (ask Deanna).  She

said during his training she only had to show him something one time.  My 
theory about his breakdown is that he was hyper alert, was spooked and this 
only increased no matter how much I worked with him on it.  His love for me,

at 12 1/2, is still magnificent.  I told him the other day that I was very 
happy that he felt well enough to be in the kitchen under my feet, but I 
wished he'd leave.  Today, I put a jacket on him and took him to Walgreens 
to get him some medicine for his acid reflux.  He was so excited to go, 
Marion needed to help me put the jacket on him.  He dove into the harness, 
although he didn't want me to work him - so I just heeled him.  On the way 
back he stumbled a few times, but bless him. he kept his ears perked up and 
his stub a waggin'.  He certainly has spirit. He was a great guide for 4 1/2

years; however, he broke my heart when he stopped working and I wouldn't 
ever want another Viszla.

Just to show how devoted he is, he just laid on the floor next to my desk 
and he hates the floor.  He is a coach and bed dog.

Anyway, didn't mean for this to get so wordy.

Have a great day,
Merry
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jenine Stanley" <jeninems at wowway.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Labrador-Poodle cross

> Hello Haben,
>
> I have worked with a Lab/Poodle cross from the Guide Dog Foundation. 
> First though I must tell you that currently, the Foundation is not 
> breeding any Lab/Poodle crosses. We may have a few still coming up 
> through training but the numbers are very few indeed and someone 
> needs, at this time, a demonstrated allergy situation, i.e., personal 
> or family allergy, to even be considered for one.
>
> We continue to breed Standard Poodles but our waiting list to receive 
> one
> is
> over a year long and again, demonstrated allergy situations merit first
> choice for Poodles.
>
> The Lab/Poodle varies widely in everything about itself from coat to 
> temperament to allergic factors. Lab/Poodles, which I'll call LPs for 
> short, have a mix of fur, which grows to a set length, and hair, which 
> grows continuously. Some LPs look like Poodles with curls or relaxed 
> curls while others look more like Labs with longer, sort of frizzy 
> coats. The Coats have
> a unique texture though, wiry is probably the best description.
>
> Poodles are generally very alert dogs and this alertness can carry 
> over
> into
> the LP, causing some to be hyper alert, watching everything and reacting
> accordingly.
>
> There are some outstanding LPs out there, obviously or the cross would 
> not have been considered for guide work, but there are equally many 
> LPs who start out perfectly fine and become noise sensitive, 
> suspicious, overly protective, have confinement issues  and even 
> develop aggression toward other dogs or people. I say this because 
> these dogs can break your heart. They are brilliant, have fun 
> personalities and can do some incredible guide work, but they are 
> rather fragile in terms of temperament. Mine was retired
> after 3 years due to increasing confinement issues, i.e., she could not
> stand to be under things or in small spaces and if forced to be, she would
> become even more suspicious, growling at any other dog that came near her.
> She also began to snap at other dogs, something I personally find to be
> unacceptable in a guide dog no matter what the reason.
>
> The Lab/Poodle is a very complex dog, more so I think than either of 
> the breeds that go into it because you never quite know what you're 
> going to get. When it's good, it's incredible and when it's bad, it's, 
> well, incredibly bad.
>
> Most of the schools around the world, including the one in Australia 
> where the breed was started, no longer use the LP due to its 
> unpredictability. I am not sure the Foundation will resume using them. 
> We simply don't know at this point. We are quite pleased with the 
> Poodle lines we have now, and our Labs are our bread and butter, as 
> they are at most schools, but the combination has proven costly in 
> terms of training, retraining, and the emotional tole it takes on 
> handlers when having to retire the dogs. I don't
> know the status of the LP at the other schools who have used them here in
> the US, Guide Dogs of the Desert and Guide Dogs of America. If I was
> interested in getting one, I'd definitely call and talk with their 
> training
> departments.
>
> It was my observation that though my LP might have been less allergy 
> producing, having a different dander, this did not lessen the 
> resistance to her if people were going to resist her.
>
> Another factor of a Poodle or LP is that they do produce a certain 
> odor
> that
> one must monitor. It's best described as dirty socks. It's just a matter 
> of
> brushing and sometimes using a coat conditioner or dry shampoo to remove
> excess oils from the coat, but it's there in some/most LPs and Poodles 
> from
> time to time. Of course, most of our dogs can have a particular doggie 
> odor
> from time to time. The Poodle odor is just different.
>
>
> As for grooming/clipping, this too depends on the coat. I've seen LPs 
> with the wavier coat who just need it trimmed every 3 to 4 months 
> while mine needed a full clip every 2 months unless I let her grow out 
> in winter. She still needed her face clipped every 6 weeks or so. This 
> ran me between $40 and $60 depending on where I went. My girl adored 
> being bathed and clipped but I made sure the groomers knew LPs. Many 
> LPs have beards that also require a lot of care to keep clean and 
> trimmed neatly. They have longer hair that grows not only on the outer 
> flaps of their ears, sometimes trailing in food, water and every other 
> substance with which they come in contact, but inside their ears as 
> well. This hair must be plucked and trimmed. The plucking from inside, 
> I'm told, is painless. My girl didn't have any hair inside her ears 
> but the hair on the outside grew quite quickly and needed to be 
> managed.
>
> Btw, the shedding myth is just that, a myth. My LP shed like crazy. 
> Some
> do,
> some shed very little, but most do shed. It's only when breeding 
> successive
> generations of the cross that the shedding goes away. Then other issues
> begin to surface though as the Australians discovered when trying this, 
> and
> they ended up dropping the cross.
>
> So, I hate to be a wet blanket, but I wouldn't get my hopes up for an 
> LP unless you find one and have it privately trained or owner trained.
>
>
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