[nagdu] shorelining

Mon Mar 9 21:45:56 UTC 2009

Can you send a link to this law? And does it negate or override the law 
about blind pedestrians having the right of way?

thanks!
Julie

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From: "Garry and Joy Relton" <relton30857 at cox.net>
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] shorelining

> You need to be aware that pedestrians are, by law, to face the traffic on
> streets without sidewalks, so, you should walk on the left. I realize that
> this is not always possible, but I just wanted you to know. The logic is
> obvious, because when you are facing the traffic they can see you.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Julie J.
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:29 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] shorelining
>
>
> Thanks Jeanine!
>
> I use over right and over left to move the dog to the right or left edge 
> of
> something, a hallway, a street, a parking lot etc.
>
> I mainly use over right when I am in a crowded pedestrian situation.  For
> example the park very near my house also has a baseball field.  the 
> sidewalk
>
> that borders the field must be ten feet wide or more.  When there are 
> games
> it is essential that we walk on the right side with the flow of pedestrian
> traffic.   Or if we are in a large open place, hotel or mall, and I want 
> to
> find a particular room or store that is on one side or the other I will 
> use
> the over commands to shoreline on that side so I can listen for where I 
> want
>
> to turn.
>
> Generally on  a street with no sidewalks I will walk on the left hand 
> side.
> However this is not always the most practical or possible solution.   So I
> teach the dog to also shoreline on the right.  It just makes sense to me 
> to
> have the most options so I can negotiate any sort of situation that might
> come up.
>
> I teach over right and over left by clicking for the right position. 
> There
> is a street that I like to use to teach this skill that has a lot of slope
> so it is easier for me to tell how close to the curb we are.  the closer 
> to
> the middle of the street you get, the flatter it is.   For the left side
> curb I use a cane to check and for the right curb I will generally just 
> use
> my foot.   If the dog has drifted out I heel them back to the right place
> and continue.   I like the dog to work very close to the curb, maybe only 
> a
> few inches out.  I do quite a bit of travel in situations with no 
> sidewalks,
>
> so the dogs get lots of practice.
>
> It has been a long while since I have taught this concept, but this is the
> way I remember doing it.  I haven't gotten to these concepts with Monty 
> yet.
>
> He is still learning stationary left turns. *smile*  We have made a lot of
> progress with them in the last week.  I think he is just about ready to 
> move
>
> on to the next step. When I get to the place where I am ready to teach him
> over I'll have to think through how I plan to approach it with him in more
> detail.  I'll let you all know how I teach it to him and how it worked 
> out.
>
> Julie
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jenine Stanley" <jeninems at wowway.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 6:50 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] shorelining
>
>
>> Julie asked about how different programs train for shorelining.
>>
>> I can tell you what GDF does these days.
>>
>> There is a lecture about the "straight line" concept which explains
>> how
>> the
>> dogs are taught to walk just left of center on a sidewalk. Then, there is
>> another short lecture and individual teaching about shorelining or 
>> country
>> travel.
>>
>> We always worked a left shoreline on country walks, those without
>> sidewalks.
>> GDF does have commands "over left" and "over right" which mean that the
>> dog
>> should move over that direction slightly but the command I was taught to
>> use
>> when working a road without sidewalks where I need to shoreline was "stay
>> left" or "stay right".
>>
>> They began teaching a right shoreline as a test back in the mid '90's.
>> My last two classes, 2005 and 2008, it was part of class.
>>
>> I find that where I live, due to curving road and poor lines of sight
>> for drivers, it's safer to work the right side of several roads. My
>> instructor put a lot of work into his dogs doing right shoulder work,
>> as we call it, because he said it is the harder of the two shoreline
>> methods to teach and reinforce. I have to say that Swap is extremely
>> good at it too.
>>
>> These shorelining techniques can also be used to navigate parking
>> lots.
>>
>> I think the country walks, especially during the home training part of
>> my recent training with Swap, are the most exhausting for me. In the
>> beginning, until you learn the dog's moves and trust him or her to
>> keep that perfect alignment with the edge, it takes a lot of
>> monitoring.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jenine Stanley
>> jeninems at wowway.com
>>
>>
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