[nagdu] Tenant Rights

Tue Mar 17 19:54:30 UTC 2009

Hi Marion,
Reading this e-mail, I thought of something that happened when I was getting 
my first dog in 1973.  When I was on my way to the school from the airport, 
the trainer, who was driving me, asked off=handedly if I minded if I had a 
black roomate.  I was quite surprized at this question and I answered that I 
didn't care what color my roommate was as long as they were nice.  The black 
lady and I got along very well and we had alot of fun together.

Marion, it was nice talking to you on the phone yesterday.  I left a messege 
with Mrs. Maurer and I am waiting for her to get back to me.  Thanks.

Cheers,

Linda and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tenant Rights

> Nicole,
>    Would the dorm room be a private room or would the person be sharing 
> with another? If it is a private room, there should be no need for 
> disclosure. If it is shared, perhaps there would be the need to do so for 
> the purposes of assigning someone who does not have allergies. Again, 
> though, one way to test this is to ask, "If it were a matter of race, 
> would I feel the need to disclose?" In other words, would the housing 
> department consider hand-picking your room mate based upon your racial or 
> ethnic characteristics? In this particular case, since the person will be 
> in constant direct contact, an allergy may be a necessary consideration. 
> Otherwise, the housing department has no right to treat you differently 
> because you use a service animal.
>
> Fraternally,
> Marion
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tenant Rights
>
>
>> Okay, may be different situation, but now you have gotten me curious. 
>> When
>> applying for dorm housing on a college campus, how would you handle the
>> situation?
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tenant Rights
>>
>>
>> Nicole,
>>    I  can understand that this may be considered the "up-front approach";
>> however, by doing so it raises red flags! I am of the opinion that, since
>> the presence of a service animal is irrelevant to whether or not access 
>> is
>> granted, the fact that we will be accompanied by a service animal is
>> something we should not divulge in advance. By telling an airline, for
>> instance, that we have a guide dog, we are implying that there is 
>> something
>> they need to do because of this. Not knowing what this might be, they 
>> assume
>> things based upon the stereotypes and misconceptions about blindness. As 
>> the
>> result, we actually are complicit in our discrimination!
>>
>> Fraternally,
>> Marion
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 12:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tenant Rights
>>
>>
>>> JMO, I would rather tell the person up front and deal with any problems
>>> before getting there rather than showing up with my guide dog and being
>>> turned away. Definitely don't let this one go, though. They need to know
>>> that this is not acceptable.  Your guide dog is not just some pet; it's 
>>> a
>>> mobility aide.
>>> Interesting how sometimes guide dogs attract people while at other times
>>> they cause people to turn away. I wonder how the apartment owners would
>>> have
>>> responded if you had told them that you were blind, but not mentioned 
>>> the
>>> dog.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Julie J." <jlcrane at alltel.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:57 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tenant Rights
>>>
>>>
>>> Heather,
>>>
>>> This is most definitely allowed on this list!  I'm glad you asked for 
>>> help
>>> with this.  I hope Marion will be able to assist you in getting it
>>> straightened out.
>>>
>>> Have you thought about not mentioning that you have a guide dog in
>>> advance?
>>> Here, in the U.S., we are not required to notify a business in advance 
>>> of
>>> our disability or guide dog.  It doesn't eliminate problems, but at 
>>> least
>>> I
>>> can deal with them in person. *smile*
>>>
>>> I hope you find the perfect apartment very soon, best of luck!
>>> Julie
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Heather Hutchison" <heather at heather-hutchison.com>
>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:24 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Tenant Rights
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> My apologies if this isn't allowed because I live in British Columbia,
>>>> Canada, but I was wondering if I could get some general input on what 
>>>> to
>>>> do about being discriminated against due to the presence of my  guide 
>>>> dog
>>>> in applying for a rental unit.
>>>>
>>>> An acquaintance of my boyfriend was moving out of her apartment and we
>>>> decided it would be a great area and a perfect place for us to live 
>>>> in,
>>>> so we contacted the landlords (a husband and wife) to set up a  viewing
>>>> (we've seen the place before, but to do it officially). She  set up a
>>>> time
>>>> the next morning for us to come and view the suite. My  boyfriend
>>>> mentioned the fact that I have a guide dog (not as a  question of if it
>>>> would be alright, but simply to state a fact) and  everything changed.
>>>> She
>>>> said she would have to check with her husband  and quickly hung up. She
>>>> called back and left a message specifically  stating that because there
>>>> was another dog on the premises (these are  completely separate units
>>>> though) that because of my dog, we would not  be considered to rent the
>>>> suite. We have kept this message. We called  her to try and explain the
>>>> law (the guide animal act of British  Columbia states that it is 
>>>> illegal
>>>> to discriminate against a person  with a disability because of their
>>>> intent to keep a service animal in  the rental unit unless sleeping,
>>>> cooking or bathroom facilities are  shared) but she would not listen. 
>>>> She
>>>> put her husband on the phone and  he proceeded to be incredibly rude,
>>>> screaming that they did not have  to accept a guide dog, essentially 
>>>> that
>>>> the law was wrong. He said  they weren't even having viewings (which is
>>>> incorrect because we had  previously had an appointment for that same 
>>>> day
>>>> until they found out  about my dog). He then said we could come look at
>>>> it
>>>> if we really  wanted but that we wouldn't get it anyways. He said they
>>>> were being  threatened when we said we would take legal action. One 
>>>> last
>>>> time we  tried to read him the act, but he hung up in the middle of it.
>>>>
>>>> What should I do? I am having a very difficult time finding a place to
>>>> live (I've heard every excuse in the book) and I'm tired of people
>>>> blatantly ignoring the law. It is very difficult to find pet friendly
>>>> suites in Vancouver and they are almost impossible to get into because
>>>> they are in such high demand. I filled out a human rights complaint 
>>>> but
>>>> have not sent it yet. Anything else I should do? Should I pursue  this?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much in advance for any input you might have.
>>>>
>>>> Heather with Bibby
>>>>
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