[nagdu] Tenant Rights

William ODonnell william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com
Wed Mar 18 15:13:51 UTC 2009 

This problem is unfortunatly verry common here in New York City as well.  If landloards do not reject you, then they treat you as if you are indebted to them and you need to repay them in a massiv way.  Stores often let you purchace items; however if it is a place where food is availible, then problems come up.  I have learned that if you say nothing and just show up as a normal person, then people have no choice and then when they start rejecting, you can throw the book at them in person.  Having cash or a check ready for the apartment rental is also helpfull.  Let us face it, if you hand someone "cold cash" for something, there aditude will change from no to "sign here please."  Unfortunatly, cash rules decision-making and not morrals.
 

--- On Tue, 3/17/09, Marion & Martin <swampfox1833 at verizon.net> wrote:

> From: Marion & Martin <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tenant Rights
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 11:02 PM
> Linda,
>    It was good chatting with you, as well! I
> hope we have the chance to meet some day. If you ever get
> information about your ancestry, please let me know. My
> sister has gone back to our Polish roots and it would be
> very interesting to know if ours cross. There are just too
> many coincidences for them to not!
> 
> Peace!
> Marion
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
> Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tenant Rights
> 
> 
> > Hi Marion,
> > Reading this e-mail, I thought of something that
> happened when I was getting my first dog in 1973.  When
> I was on my way to the school from the airport, the trainer,
> who was driving me, asked off=handedly if I minded if I had
> a black roomate.  I was quite surprized at this
> question and I answered that I didn't care what color my
> roommate was as long as they were nice.  The black lady
> and I got along very well and we had alot of fun together.
> > 
> > Marion, it was nice talking to you on the phone
> yesterday.  I left a messege with Mrs. Maurer and I am
> waiting for her to get back to me. Thanks.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Linda and Landon
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion &
> Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
> Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tenant Rights
> > 
> > 
> >> Nicole,
> >>    Would the dorm room be a private room
> or would the person be sharing with another? If it is a
> private room, there should be no need for disclosure. If it
> is shared, perhaps there would be the need to do so for the
> purposes of assigning someone who does not have allergies.
> Again, though, one way to test this is to ask, "If it were a
> matter of race, would I feel the need to disclose?" In other
> words, would the housing department consider hand-picking
> your room mate based upon your racial or ethnic
> characteristics? In this particular case, since the person
> will be in constant direct contact, an allergy may be a
> necessary consideration. Otherwise, the housing department
> has no right to treat you differently because you use a
> service animal.
> >> 
> >> Fraternally,
> >> Marion
> >> 
> >> 
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B.
> Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association
> of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:40 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tenant Rights
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> Okay, may be different situation, but now you
> have gotten me curious. When
> >>> applying for dorm housing on a college campus,
> how would you handle the
> >>> situation?
> >>> 
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion
> & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
> >>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National
> Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:54 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tenant Rights
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Nicole,
> >>>    I  can understand that this
> may be considered the "up-front approach";
> >>> however, by doing so it raises red flags! I am
> of the opinion that, since
> >>> the presence of a service animal is irrelevant
> to whether or not access is
> >>> granted, the fact that we will be accompanied
> by a service animal is
> >>> something we should not divulge in advance. By
> telling an airline, for
> >>> instance, that we have a guide dog, we are
> implying that there is something
> >>> they need to do because of this. Not knowing
> what this might be, they assume
> >>> things based upon the stereotypes and
> misconceptions about blindness. As the
> >>> result, we actually are complicit in our
> discrimination!
> >>> 
> >>> Fraternally,
> >>> Marion
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B.
> Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> >>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National
> Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 12:50 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tenant Rights
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> JMO, I would rather tell the person up
> front and deal with any problems
> >>>> before getting there rather than showing
> up with my guide dog and being
> >>>> turned away. Definitely don't let this one
> go, though. They need to know
> >>>> that this is not acceptable.  Your
> guide dog is not just some pet; it's a
> >>>> mobility aide.
> >>>> Interesting how sometimes guide dogs
> attract people while at other times
> >>>> they cause people to turn away. I wonder
> how the apartment owners would
> >>>> have
> >>>> responded if you had told them that you
> were blind, but not mentioned the
> >>>> dog.
> >>>> 
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie
> J." <jlcrane at alltel.net>
> >>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National
> Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 5:57 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tenant Rights
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Heather,
> >>>> 
> >>>> This is most definitely allowed on this
> list!  I'm glad you asked for help
> >>>> with this.  I hope Marion will be
> able to assist you in getting it
> >>>> straightened out.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Have you thought about not mentioning that
> you have a guide dog in
> >>>> advance?
> >>>> Here, in the U.S., we are not required to
> notify a business in advance of
> >>>> our disability or guide dog.  It
> doesn't eliminate problems, but at least
> >>>> I
> >>>> can deal with them in person. *smile*
> >>>> 
> >>>> I hope you find the perfect apartment very
> soon, best of luck!
> >>>> Julie
> >>>> 
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From:
> "Heather Hutchison" <heather at heather-hutchison.com>
> >>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:24 PM
> >>>> Subject: [nagdu] Tenant Rights
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> My apologies if this isn't allowed
> because I live in British Columbia,
> >>>>> Canada, but I was wondering if I could
> get some general input on what to
> >>>>> do about being discriminated against
> due to the presence of my  guide dog
> >>>>> in applying for a rental unit.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> An acquaintance of my boyfriend was
> moving out of her apartment and we
> >>>>> decided it would be a great area and a
> perfect place for us to live in,
> >>>>> so we contacted the landlords (a
> husband and wife) to set up a viewing
> >>>>> (we've seen the place before, but to
> do it officially). She  set up a
> >>>>> time
> >>>>> the next morning for us to come and
> view the suite. My  boyfriend
> >>>>> mentioned the fact that I have a guide
> dog (not as a  question of if it
> >>>>> would be alright, but simply to state
> a fact) and  everything changed.
> >>>>> She
> >>>>> said she would have to check with her
> husband  and quickly hung up. She
> >>>>> called back and left a message
> specifically  stating that because there
> >>>>> was another dog on the premises (these
> are  completely separate units
> >>>>> though) that because of my dog, we
> would not  be considered to rent the
> >>>>> suite. We have kept this message. We
> called  her to try and explain the
> >>>>> law (the guide animal act of
> British  Columbia states that it is illegal
> >>>>> to discriminate against a person 
> with a disability because of their
> >>>>> intent to keep a service animal
> in  the rental unit unless sleeping,
> >>>>> cooking or bathroom facilities
> are  shared) but she would not listen. She
> >>>>> put her husband on the phone and 
> he proceeded to be incredibly rude,
> >>>>> screaming that they did not have 
> to accept a guide dog, essentially that
> >>>>> the law was wrong. He said  they
> weren't even having viewings (which is

> >>>>> incorrect because we had 
> previously had an appointment for that same day
> >>>>> until they found out  about my
> dog). He then said we could come look at
> >>>>> it
> >>>>> if we really  wanted but that we
> wouldn't get it anyways. He said they
> >>>>> were being  threatened when we
> said we would take legal action. One last
> >>>>> time we  tried to read him the
> act, but he hung up in the middle of it.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> What should I do? I am having a very
> difficult time finding a place to
> >>>>> live (I've heard every excuse in the
> book) and I'm tired of people
> >>>>> blatantly ignoring the law. It is very
> difficult to find pet friendly
> >>>>> suites in Vancouver and they are
> almost impossible to get into because
> >>>>> they are in such high demand. I filled
> out a human rights complaint but
> >>>>> have not sent it yet. Anything else I
> should do? Should I pursue this?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Thank you very much in advance for any
> input you might have.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Heather with Bibby
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>
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