[nagdu] CA State Board
lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com
lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com
Wed Mar 25 17:32:13 UTC 2009
Hi all,
California should revolk Eye Dog's right to operate as a corporation in the
state. Period. And leave the out-of-state schools alone.
Linda and Landon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board
> Ana,
> Thank you for your presence on this list and your message to it. I wish
> there were more that the NFB could do about this issue! It's up to the
> State of California and their political Boards, such as this, to resolve
> this issue. My hope is that the State does not interfere with the work of
> the legitimate schools and their training programs, including follow-up,
> due to the reckless, fraudulent behavior of the Eye Dog Foundation.
>
> Marion
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anna Thomasson" <anna.thomasson at towersperrin.com>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:56 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] CA State Board
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I do not know the history of this open letter, but I can tell you from
>> personal experience that the CA State Board has worked very hard to help
>> us
>> volunteer puppy raisers with the challenges we have faced with EDF. I
>> have
>> attended a number of Board meetings and spoken with staff on more than
>> one
>> occasion. They are well meaning people very concerned about the rights
>> of
>> the blind and the integrity of Guide Dog Schools. I would presume good
>> intent with this letter.
>>
>> Anna C. Thomasson
>> Principal, Towers Perrin
>> anna.thomasson at towersperrin.com
>> Phoenix: 602-553-1087
>> Los Angeles: 310-551-5854
>> Facsimile: 310-789-5909
>>
>> ----- Forwarded by Anna Thomasson/Towers Perrin on 03/23/2009 03:52 PM
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>> 1. Re: guide dogs in UK / update on Shaman's training.
>> (Mardi Hadfield)
>> 2. Re: CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state schools
>> (Margo and Elmo)
>> 3. Re: CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state schools
>> (mhingson)
>> 4. Re: CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state schools
>> (Angie Matney)
>> 5. Re: CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state schools
>> (Michael Hingson)
>> 6. Re: CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state schools
>> (Angie Matney)
>> 7. Re: CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state schools
>> (Michael Hingson)
>>
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>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:09:02 -0700
>> From: Mardi Hadfield <wolfsinger.lakota at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] guide dogs in UK / update on Shaman's training.
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Message-ID:
>> <9023d1d70903221409u6c16da9bnf40586ec798ac120 at mail.gmail.com>
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>> Hi every one, Sean, Thanks for sharing this bit of interesting
>> information.
>> I wish more schools would train for wheelchair users. There are at least
>> 4
>> other legally blind wheelchair users in Tucson AZ, where I live.Only one
>> ,
>> other than my self has a guide dog.Hers was also trained by my private
>> trainer.It is not any harder to train a dog to work from a wheelchair
>> than
>> ,
>> than to train one to work for a person who walks. There are some things
>> different, but most of the training is the same.I am just talking about
>> the
>> guide training here. Shaman has done well riding the bus and going to
>> the Mall. Yesterday, Nick and I took him to the street fair. For the most
>> part he was good. The crowds did not bother him,and he seemed to watch
>> Nala
>> for clues on how to navigate around the people,and baby carriages,and
>> balloons ect. He watched as I held a magnificent ,large, green Iguana. I
>> have always wanted an Iguana. Now I know I have to have one,but not at
>> this
>> time. Shaman did bark at some dogs but not others.He was not aggressive
>> at
>> all. He wanted to go and play with them. He is still young and has not
>> realized than he is working when we are out in public. We will have to
>> work
>> on the barking issue. More trips to the dog park. Have a great day,
>> Mardi
>> and Nala,semi-retired and Shaman,gdit
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:21:09 -0400
>> From: "Margo and Elmo" <margo.downey at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>> schools
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>> Dog
>> Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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>> reply-type=original
>>
>> that doesn't seem quite right to me. So, if the Seeing Eye does follow
>> ups
>>
>> in California with graduates, they'll have to jump through hoops to
>> provide
>>
>> those services, and, I don't think the California Board has the right to
>> tell guide dog schools who function well and so on what they need to know
>> or
>> do to do follow-ups or home training in California. sounds fishy to me.
>>
>> margo and Elmo
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "mhingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>> schools
>>
>>
>> Craig,
>>
>> Owner-trainers are exempt.
>>
>> On the other hand, it will be interesting to monitor this and to see how
>> it
>> shakes down. Many schools do come into California to raise funds as well
>> as
>> to conduct some training through follow up. Mostly, I suspect that the
>> board is attempting to secure licensing fees from those schools who do
>> have
>> some activities in California.
>>
>> The Michael Hingson Group
>> "Speaking with Vision"
>> Michael Hingson, President
>> (415) 827-4084
>> info at michaelhingson.com
>> www.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>> for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
>> http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Craig Borne
>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 6:00 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>> schools
>>
>> Wow.
>>
>> For a school located outside of California and training guides/handlers
>> outside of California, I don't see how this would be enforceable. The
>> statutes cited do not apply to blind handlers, only schools. The State
>> cannot dictate where a handler goes to acquire a dog, and the State
>> cannot
>> override the ADA by not granting access to a handler using a guide dog
>> from
>> out of State.
>>
>> This would, however, effect owner/trainers in California, since before
>> "using" the guide, the owner/trainer would be "training" a non-guide dog.
>>
>> California cannot set business regulations outside of its borders. This
>> would be a very slippery slope indeed. I smell revenue enhancing motives
>> for California.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> Craig Borne
>> Baltimore, Maryland
>> "A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial
>> appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in
>> defense of custom." --Thomas Paine, Common Sense
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Angie Matney
>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:22 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state schools
>>
>> Have people seen this letter from the California State Board of Guide
>> Dogs
>> for the Blind to out-of-state dog-guide programs? The text follows the
>> link.
>>
>> http://www.guidedogboard.ca.gov/forms_pubs/outofstateletter.shtml
>>
>> Letter to out-of-state schools
>> Re: Compliance with California State Law Pertaining to Guide Dogs
>>
>> Dear Out-of-State School:
>>
>> On July 8, 1947, Governor Earl Warren signed into law the Guide Dog Act.
>> This act was established to keep out maverick guide dog schools, protect
>> the
>> visually impaired by setting minimum standards of training, provide
>> oversight for the disposition
>> of donor funds and maintain minimum competency of training for licensed
>> guide dog instructors.
>>
>> The purpose of this letter is twofold. First, the Board wishes to inform
>> all
>> out-of-state schools the statutes requiring compliance with licensure
>> requirements for instruction in the state of California. Second, the
>> Board
>> has a process for compliance -
>> namely the examination for an instructor license. If a candidate for
>> licensure meets the minimum requirements to sit for the examination, they
>> are eligible for licensure status. The examination is given twice per
>> year
>> and involves a one-day Written
>> Exam
>> and a one-day Oral/Practical Exam. Fingerprints are also required before
>> taking the examination.
>>
>> First, California law requires a license for the sale or the giving of a
>> guide dog. Business and Professions Code section 7210 requires that:
>>
>> It shall be unlawful for any person to sell, offer for sale, give, hire
>> or
>> furnish under any other arrangement, any guide dog or seeing-eye dog or
>> to
>> engage in the business or occupation of training any such dog unless he
>> holds a valid and unimpaired
>> license issued pursuant to the provisions of this chapter.
>>
>> Second, California law requires guide dog instructors to be licensed. An
>> instructor "means a person who instructs blind persons in the use of
>> guide
>> dogs or who engages in the business of training, selling, hiring, or
>> supplying guide dogs for the blind."
>> California law as set forth in 16 CCR section 2284 requires:
>>
>> Anyone instructing a blind person in the use of a guide dog must be
>> licensed
>> by the Board, provided, however, that a school may employ apprentices to
>> assist in such instruction. No apprentice shall act as an instructor
>> except
>> under the direct and
>> immediate supervision of a licensed instructor.
>>
>> Last, B&P Code Section 7213 provides that:
>>
>> Violation of any provision of this chapter is a misdemeanor.
>>
>> The process for obtaining an instructor license begins with an
>> examination.
>> To qualify to take the examination, the individual must have the
>> following
>> qualifications as set forth in Statute (B&P Code Section 7209) -- which
>> states the following:
>>
>> [P]erson to be eligible for examination as an instructor must (1) have a
>> knowledge of the special problems of the blind and how to teach them, (2)
>> be
>> able to demonstrate by actual blindfold test under traffic conditions his
>> ability to train guide dogs with
>> whom a blind person would be safe, (3) be suited temperamentally and
>> otherwise to instruct blind persons in the use of guide dogs, and, (4)
>> have
>> had at least three years actual experience, comprising such number of
>> hours
>> as the Board may require,
>> as an instructor, and have handled twenty-two (22) man-dog units; or its
>> equivalent, as determined by the Board, as an apprentice under a licensed
>> instructor or under an instructor in a school satisfactory to the Board.
>>
>> Applicants for the instructor license are required to take both a written
>> and practical/oral examination. Applicants must provide a 15-30 minute
>> video
>> demonstrating instruction skills. A panel of subject matter experts will
>> review the video and evaluate
>> the candidate's oral defense of said video. The five steps to licensing
>> are
>> available on the Board's Web site. Applicants may also obtain the
>> application for examination at www.guidedogboard.ca.gov
>>
>> The instructor licenses are good for one year and are renewed each year
>> thereafter for a fee of $100. Along with the fee, an instructor must
>> provide
>> the Board with evidence of continuing education (either 8 hours of
>> course/seminar attendance or 16
>> hours of attendance at meetings of guide dog users or organizations of
>> the
>> blind).
>>
>> If you have any questions about the laws cited above, please feel free to
>> contact me at (916) 574-7825 . Thank you.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Antonette Sorrick
>>
>> ANTONETTE SORRICK
>> Executive Officer, State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:52:20 -0700
>> From: "mhingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>> schools
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>> Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID:
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>>
>> I do not know what is motivating the board, but I suspect it is not so
>> much
>> follow up as it might be fund raising.
>>
>> The?Michael Hingson Group
>> ???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
>> ?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
>> ???????????????????????? (415) 827-4084
>> ???????????????????info at michaelhingson.com
>> ?????????????? ????www.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>> for info on the new KNFB Reader?Mobile, visit:
>> http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Margo and Elmo
>> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:21 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>> schools
>>
>> that doesn't seem quite right to me. So, if the Seeing Eye does follow
>> ups
>>
>> in California with graduates, they'll have to jump through hoops to
>> provide
>>
>> those services, and, I don't think the California Board has the right to
>> tell guide dog schools who function well and so on what they need to know
>> or
>>
>> do to do follow-ups or home training in California. sounds fishy to me.
>>
>> margo and Elmo
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "mhingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>> schools
>>
>>
>> Craig,
>>
>> Owner-trainers are exempt.
>>
>> On the other hand, it will be interesting to monitor this and to see how
>> it
>> shakes down. Many schools do come into California to raise funds as well
>> as
>> to conduct some training through follow up. Mostly, I suspect that the
>> board is attempting to secure licensing fees from those schools who do
>> have
>> some activities in California.
>>
>> The Michael Hingson Group
>> "Speaking with Vision"
>> Michael Hingson, President
>> (415) 827-4084
>> info at michaelhingson.com
>> www.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>> for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
>> http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Craig Borne
>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 6:00 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>> schools
>>
>> Wow.
>>
>> For a school located outside of California and training guides/handlers
>> outside of California, I don't see how this would be enforceable. The
>> statutes cited do not apply to blind handlers, only schools. The State
>> cannot dictate where a handler goes to acquire a dog, and the State
>> cannot
>> override the ADA by not granting access to a handler using a guide dog
>> from
>> out of State.
>>
>> This would, however, effect owner/trainers in California, since before
>> "using" the guide, the owner/trainer would be "training" a non-guide dog.
>>
>> California cannot set business regulations outside of its borders. This
>> would be a very slippery slope indeed. I smell revenue enhancing motives
>> for California.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> Craig Borne
>> Baltimore, Maryland
>> "A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial
>> appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in
>> defense of custom." --Thomas Paine, Common Sense
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Angie Matney
>> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:22 PM
>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state schools
>>
>> Have people seen this letter from the California State Board of Guide
>> Dogs
>> for the Blind to out-of-state dog-guide programs? The text follows the
>> link.
>>
>> http://www.guidedogboard.ca.gov/forms_pubs/outofstateletter.shtml
>>
>>
>> Letter to out-of-state schools
>> Re: Compliance with California State Law Pertaining to Guide Dogs
>>
>> Dear Out-of-State School:
>>
>> On July 8, 1947, Governor Earl Warren signed into law the Guide Dog Act.
>> This act was established to keep out maverick guide dog schools, protect
>> the
>> visually impaired by setting minimum standards of training, provide
>> oversight for the disposition
>> of donor funds and maintain minimum competency of training for licensed
>> guide dog instructors.
>>
>> The purpose of this letter is twofold. First, the Board wishes to inform
>> all
>> out-of-state schools the statutes requiring compliance with licensure
>> requirements for instruction in the state of California. Second, the
>> Board
>> has a process for compliance -
>> namely the examination for an instructor license. If a candidate for
>> licensure meets the minimum requirements to sit for the examination, they
>> are eligible for licensure status. The examination is given twice per
>> year
>> and involves a one-day Written
>> Exam
>> and a one-day Oral/Practical Exam. Fingerprints are also required before
>> taking the examination.
>>
>> First, California law requires a license for the sale or the giving of a
>> guide dog. Business and Professions Code section 7210 requires that:
>>
>> It shall be unlawful for any person to sell, offer for sale, give, hire
>> or
>> furnish under any other arrangement, any guide dog or seeing-eye dog or
>> to
>> engage in the business or occupation of training any such dog unless he
>> holds a valid and unimpaired
>> license issued pursuant to the provisions of this chapter.
>>
>> Second, California law requires guide dog instructors to be licensed. An
>> instructor "means a person who instructs blind persons in the use of
>> guide
>> dogs or who engages in the business of training, selling, hiring, or
>> supplying guide dogs for the blind."
>> California law as set forth in 16 CCR section 2284 requires:
>>
>> Anyone instructing a blind person in the use of a guide dog must be
>> licensed
>> by the Board, provided, however, that a school may employ apprentices to
>> assist in such instruction. No apprentice shall act as an instructor
>> except
>> under the direct and
>> immediate supervision of a licensed instructor.
>>
>> Last, B&P Code Section 7213 provides that:
>>
>> Violation of any provision of this chapter is a misdemeanor.
>>
>> The process for obtaining an instructor license begins with an
>> examination.
>> To qualify to take the examination, the individual must have the
>> following
>> qualifications as set forth in Statute (B&P Code Section 7209) -- which
>> states the following:
>>
>> [P]erson to be eligible for examination as an instructor must (1) have a
>> knowledge of the special problems of the blind and how to teach them, (2)
>> be
>> able to demonstrate by actual blindfold test under traffic conditions his
>> ability to train guide dogs with
>> whom a blind person would be safe, (3) be suited temperamentally and
>> otherwise to instruct blind persons in the use of guide dogs, and, (4)
>> have
>> had at least three years actual experience, comprising such number of
>> hours
>> as the Board may require,
>> as an instructor, and have handled twenty-two (22) man-dog units; or its
>> equivalent, as determined by the Board, as an apprentice under a licensed
>> instructor or under an instructor in a school satisfactory to the Board.
>>
>> Applicants for the instructor license are required to take both a written
>> and practical/oral examination. Applicants must provide a 15-30 minute
>> video
>> demonstrating instruction skills. A panel of subject matter experts will
>> review the video and evaluate
>> the candidate's oral defense of said video. The five steps to licensing
>> are
>> available on the Board's Web site. Applicants may also obtain the
>> application for examination at www.guidedogboard.ca.gov
>>
>> The instructor licenses are good for one year and are renewed each year
>> thereafter for a fee of $100. Along with the fee, an instructor must
>> provide
>> the Board with evidence of continuing education (either 8 hours of
>> course/seminar attendance or 16
>> hours of attendance at meetings of guide dog users or organizations of
>> the
>> blind).
>>
>> If you have any questions about the laws cited above, please feel free to
>> contact me at (916) 574-7825 . Thank you.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Antonette Sorrick
>>
>> ANTONETTE SORRICK
>> Executive Officer, State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:21:02 -0400
>> From: "Angie Matney" <leadinglabbie at mpmail.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>> schools
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>> Dog
>> Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <mailman.79.1237827606.17749.nagdu_nfbnet.org at nfbnet.org>
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>>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> I don't know. It seems like they wouldn't really make that much money.
>> Suppose the ten or so non-California schools each licensed threee
>> instructors. The board would get a one-time infusion of $7500, and then
>> about $3000 each year. The
>> statute requires schools that are licensed in California to pay a certain
>> amount of their administrative expenses to the "Guide Dogs for the Blind
>> Fund" (or whatever it's called), but these schools wouldn't be licensed
>> entities in CA, so they
>> wouldn't pay that expense. Do you think the Board would bother with this
>> in
>> an attempt to raise $3000 a year? Or am I missing something?
>>
>> I'm wondering if public outcry in the face of what happened at EDF has
>> led
>> the Board to take these actions.
>>
>> I'm concerned that "training" is not defined in the statute.
>>
>> Angie
>>
>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:52:20 -0700, mhingson wrote:
>>
>>>I do not know what is motivating the board, but I suspect it is not so
>> much
>>>follow up as it might be fund raising.
>>
>>>The Michael Hingson Group
>>>
Speaking with Vision
>>> Michael Hingson, President
>>> (415) 827-4084
>>> info at michaelhingson.com
>>> www.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>>>for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf
>>>Of Margo and Elmo
>>>Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:21 PM
>>>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>>>schools
>>
>>>that doesn't seem quite right to me. So, if the Seeing Eye does follow
>> ups
>>>in California with graduates, they'll have to jump through hoops to
>> provide
>>>those services, and, I don't think the California Board has the right to
>>>tell guide dog schools who function well and so on what they need to know
>> or
>>
>>>do to do follow-ups or home training in California. sounds fishy to me.
>>
>>>margo and Elmo
>>
>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "mhingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
>>>To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:41 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>>>schools
>>
>>
>>>Craig,
>>
>>>Owner-trainers are exempt.
>>
>>>On the other hand, it will be interesting to monitor this and to see how
>> it
>>>shakes down. Many schools do come into California to raise funds as well
>> as
>>>to conduct some training through follow up. Mostly, I suspect that the
>>>board is attempting to secure licensing fees from those schools who do
>> have
>>>some activities in California.
>>
>>>The Michael Hingson Group
>>>"Speaking with Vision"
>>>Michael Hingson, President
>>>(415) 827-4084
>>>info at michaelhingson.com
>>>www.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>>>for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf
>>>Of Craig Borne
>>>Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 6:00 PM
>>>To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>>>schools
>>
>>>Wow.
>>
>>>For a school located outside of California and training guides/handlers
>>>outside of California, I don't see how this would be enforceable. The
>>>statutes cited do not apply to blind handlers, only schools. The State
>>>cannot dictate where a handler goes to acquire a dog, and the State
>>>cannot
>>>override the ADA by not granting access to a handler using a guide dog
>> from
>>>out of State.
>>
>>>This would, however, effect owner/trainers in California, since before
>>>"using" the guide, the owner/trainer would be "training" a non-guide dog.
>>
>>>California cannot set business regulations outside of its borders. This
>>>would be a very slippery slope indeed. I smell revenue enhancing motives
>>>for California.
>>
>>>Craig
>>
>>>Craig Borne
>>>Baltimore, Maryland
>>>"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial
>>>appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in
>>>defense of custom." --Thomas Paine, Common Sense
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf
>>>Of Angie Matney
>>>Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:22 PM
>>>To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>Subject: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state schools
>>
>>>Have people seen this letter from the California State Board of Guide
>>>Dogs
>>>for the Blind to out-of-state dog-guide programs? The text follows the
>> link.
>>
>>>http://www.guidedogboard.ca.gov/forms_pubs/outofstateletter.shtml
>>
>>>Letter to out-of-state schools
>>>Re: Compliance with California State Law Pertaining to Guide Dogs
>>
>>>Dear Out-of-State School:
>>
>>>On July 8, 1947, Governor Earl Warren signed into law the Guide Dog Act.
>>>This act was established to keep out maverick guide dog schools, protect
>> the
>>>visually impaired by setting minimum standards of training, provide
>>>oversight for the disposition
>>>of donor funds and maintain minimum competency of training for licensed
>>>guide dog instructors.
>>
>>>The purpose of this letter is twofold. First, the Board wishes to inform
>> all
>>>out-of-state schools the statutes requiring compliance with licensure
>>>requirements for instruction in the state of California. Second, the
>>>Board
>>>has a process for compliance -
>>>namely the examination for an instructor license. If a candidate for
>>>licensure meets the minimum requirements to sit for the examination, they
>>>are eligible for licensure status. The examination is given twice per
>>>year
>>>and involves a one-day Written
>>>Exam
>>>and a one-day Oral/Practical Exam. Fingerprints are also required before
>>>taking the examination.
>>
>>>First, California law requires a license for the sale or the giving of a
>>>guide dog. Business and Professions Code section 7210 requires that:
>>
>>>It shall be unlawful for any person to sell, offer for sale, give, hire
>>>or
>>>furnish under any other arrangement, any guide dog or seeing-eye dog or
>>>to
>>>engage in the business or occupation of training any such dog unless he
>>>holds a valid and unimpaired
>>>license issued pursuant to the provisions of this chapter.
>>
>>>Second, California law requires guide dog instructors to be licensed. An
>>>instructor "means a person who instructs blind persons in the use of
>>>guide
>>>dogs or who engages in the business of training, selling, hiring, or
>>>supplying guide dogs for the blind."
>>>California law as set forth in 16 CCR section 2284 requires:
>>
>>>Anyone instructing a blind person in the use of a guide dog must be
>> licensed
>>>by the Board, provided, however, that a school may employ apprentices to
>>>assist in such instruction. No apprentice shall act as an instructor
>> except
>>>under the direct and
>>>immediate supervision of a licensed instructor.
>>
>>>Last, B&P Code Section 7213 provides that:
>>
>>>Violation of any provision of this chapter is a misdemeanor.
>>
>>>The process for obtaining an instructor license begins with an
>> examination.
>>>To qualify to take the examination, the individual must have the
>>>following
>>>qualifications as set forth in Statute (B&P Code Section 7209) -- which
>>>states the following:
>>
>>>[P]erson to be eligible for examination as an instructor must (1) have a
>>>knowledge of the special problems of the blind and how to teach them, (2)
>> be
>>>able to demonstrate by actual blindfold test under traffic conditions his
>>>ability to train guide dogs with
>>>whom a blind person would be safe, (3) be suited temperamentally and
>>>otherwise to instruct blind persons in the use of guide dogs, and, (4)
>> have
>>>had at least three years actual experience, comprising such number of
>> hours
>>>as the Board may require,
>>>as an instructor, and have handled twenty-two (22) man-dog units; or its
>>>equivalent, as determined by the Board, as an apprentice under a licensed
>>>instructor or under an instructor in a school satisfactory to the Board.
>>
>>>Applicants for the instructor license are required to take both a written
>>>and practical/oral examination. Applicants must provide a 15-30 minute
>> video
>>>demonstrating instruction skills. A panel of subject matter experts will
>>>review the video and evaluate
>>>the candidate's oral defense of said video. The five steps to licensing
>> are
>>>available on the Board's Web site. Applicants may also obtain the
>>>application for examination at www.guidedogboard.ca.gov
>>
>>>The instructor licenses are good for one year and are renewed each year
>>>thereafter for a fee of $100. Along with the fee, an instructor must
>> provide
>>>the Board with evidence of continuing education (either 8 hours of
>>>course/seminar attendance or 16
>>>hours of attendance at meetings of guide dog users or organizations of
>>>the
>>>blind).
>>
>>>If you have any questions about the laws cited above, please feel free to
>>>contact me at (916) 574-7825 . Thank you.
>>
>>>Sincerely,
>>
>>>Antonette Sorrick
>>
>>>ANTONETTE SORRICK
>>>Executive Officer, State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:34:52 -0700
>> From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>> schools
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>> Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAANyBSHcYOYRDmzMn4CvpYcrCgAAAEAAAAL7QEluRQIVEiyBvuZbMJc0BAAAAAA==@michaelhingson.com>
>>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hi Angie,
>>
>> I think the board wishes to license schools outside California so they
>> can
>> get those fees of which you speak. They cannot nor should not prevent
>> follow-up, but they can try to get money from schools with reps living in
>> the state or which fundraise in the state.
>>
>>
>> M. H.
>>
>> The?Michael Hingson Group
>> ???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
>> ?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
>> ???????????????????????? (415) 827-4084
>> ???????????????????info at michaelhingson.com
>> ?????????????? ????www.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>> for info on the new KNFB Reader?Mobile, visit:
>> http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
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>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Angie Matney
>> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:21 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>> schools
>>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> I don't know. It seems like they wouldn't really make that much money.
>> Suppose the ten or so non-California schools each licensed threee
>> instructors. The board would get a one-time infusion of $7500, and then
>> about $3000 each year. The
>> statute requires schools that are licensed in California to pay a certain
>> amount of their administrative expenses to the "Guide Dogs for the Blind
>> Fund" (or whatever it's called), but these schools wouldn't be licensed
>> entities in CA, so they
>> wouldn't pay that expense. Do you think the Board would bother with this
>> in
>> an attempt to raise $3000 a year? Or am I missing something?
>>
>> I'm wondering if public outcry in the face of what happened at EDF has
>> led
>> the Board to take these actions.
>>
>> I'm concerned that "training" is not defined in the statute.
>>
>> Angie
>>
>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:52:20 -0700, mhingson wrote:
>>
>>>I do not know what is motivating the board, but I suspect it is not so
>> much
>>>follow up as it might be fund raising.
>>
>>>The Michael Hingson Group
>>>
Speaking with Vision
>>> Michael Hingson, President
>>> (415) 827-4084
>>> info at michaelhingson.com
>>> www.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>>>for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf
>>>Of Margo and Elmo
>>>Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:21 PM
>>>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>>>schools
>>
>>>that doesn't seem quite right to me. So, if the Seeing Eye does follow
>> ups
>>
>>>in California with graduates, they'll have to jump through hoops to
>> provide
>>
>>>those services, and, I don't think the California Board has the right to
>>>tell guide dog schools who function well and so on what they need to know
>> or
>>
>>>do to do follow-ups or home training in California. sounds fishy to me.
>>
>>>margo and Elmo
>>
>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "mhingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
>>>To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:41 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>>>schools
>>
>>
>>>Craig,
>>
>>>Owner-trainers are exempt.
>>
>>>On the other hand, it will be interesting to monitor this and to see how
>> it
>>>shakes down. Many schools do come into California to raise funds as well
>> as
>>>to conduct some training through follow up. Mostly, I suspect that the
>>>board is attempting to secure licensing fees from those schools who do
>> have
>>>some activities in California.
>>
>>>The Michael Hingson Group
>>>"Speaking with Vision"
>>>Michael Hingson, President
>>>(415) 827-4084
>>>info at michaelhingson.com
>>>www.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>>>for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf
>>>Of Craig Borne
>>>Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 6:00 PM
>>>To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>>>schools
>>
>>>Wow.
>>
>>>For a school located outside of California and training guides/handlers
>>>outside of California, I don't see how this would be enforceable. The
>>>statutes cited do not apply to blind handlers, only schools. The State
>>>cannot dictate where a handler goes to acquire a dog, and the State
>>>cannot
>>>override the ADA by not granting access to a handler using a guide dog
>> from
>>>out of State.
>>
>>>This would, however, effect owner/trainers in California, since before
>>>"using" the guide, the owner/trainer would be "training" a non-guide dog.
>>
>>>California cannot set business regulations outside of its borders. This
>>>would be a very slippery slope indeed. I smell revenue enhancing motives
>>>for California.
>>
>>>Craig
>>
>>>Craig Borne
>>>Baltimore, Maryland
>>>"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial
>>>appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in
>>>defense of custom." --Thomas Paine, Common Sense
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf
>>>Of Angie Matney
>>>Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:22 PM
>>>To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>Subject: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state schools
>>
>>>Have people seen this letter from the California State Board of Guide
>>>Dogs
>>>for the Blind to out-of-state dog-guide programs? The text follows the
>> link.
>>
>>>http://www.guidedogboard.ca.gov/forms_pubs/outofstateletter.shtml
>>
>>>Letter to out-of-state schools
>>>Re: Compliance with California State Law Pertaining to Guide Dogs
>>
>>>Dear Out-of-State School:
>>
>>>On July 8, 1947, Governor Earl Warren signed into law the Guide Dog Act.
>>>This act was established to keep out maverick guide dog schools, protect
>> the
>>>visually impaired by setting minimum standards of training, provide
>>>oversight for the disposition
>>>of donor funds and maintain minimum competency of training for licensed
>>>guide dog instructors.
>>
>>>The purpose of this letter is twofold. First, the Board wishes to inform
>> all
>>>out-of-state schools the statutes requiring compliance with licensure
>>>requirements for instruction in the state of California. Second, the
>>>Board
>>>has a process for compliance -
>>>namely the examination for an instructor license. If a candidate for
>>>licensure meets the minimum requirements to sit for the examination, they
>>>are eligible for licensure status. The examination is given twice per
>>>year
>>>and involves a one-day Written
>>>Exam
>>>and a one-day Oral/Practical Exam. Fingerprints are also required before
>>>taking the examination.
>>
>>>First, California law requires a license for the sale or the giving of a
>>>guide dog. Business and Professions Code section 7210 requires that:
>>
>>>It shall be unlawful for any person to sell, offer for sale, give, hire
>>>or
>>>furnish under any other arrangement, any guide dog or seeing-eye dog or
>>>to
>>>engage in the business or occupation of training any such dog unless he
>>>holds a valid and unimpaired
>>>license issued pursuant to the provisions of this chapter.
>>
>>>Second, California law requires guide dog instructors to be licensed. An
>>>instructor "means a person who instructs blind persons in the use of
>>>guide
>>>dogs or who engages in the business of training, selling, hiring, or
>>>supplying guide dogs for the blind."
>>>California law as set forth in 16 CCR section 2284 requires:
>>
>>>Anyone instructing a blind person in the use of a guide dog must be
>> licensed
>>>by the Board, provided, however, that a school may employ apprentices to
>>>assist in such instruction. No apprentice shall act as an instructor
>> except
>>>under the direct and
>>>immediate supervision of a licensed instructor.
>>
>>>Last, B&P Code Section 7213 provides that:
>>
>>>Violation of any provision of this chapter is a misdemeanor.
>>
>>>The process for obtaining an instructor license begins with an
>> examination.
>>>To qualify to take the examination, the individual must have the
>>>following
>>>qualifications as set forth in Statute (B&P Code Section 7209) -- which
>>>states the following:
>>
>>>[P]erson to be eligible for examination as an instructor must (1) have a
>>>knowledge of the special problems of the blind and how to teach them, (2)
>> be
>>>able to demonstrate by actual blindfold test under traffic conditions his
>>>ability to train guide dogs with
>>>whom a blind person would be safe, (3) be suited temperamentally and
>>>otherwise to instruct blind persons in the use of guide dogs, and, (4)
>> have
>>>had at least three years actual experience, comprising such number of
>> hours
>>>as the Board may require,
>>>as an instructor, and have handled twenty-two (22) man-dog units; or its
>>>equivalent, as determined by the Board, as an apprentice under a licensed
>>>instructor or under an instructor in a school satisfactory to the Board.
>>
>>>Applicants for the instructor license are required to take both a written
>>>and practical/oral examination. Applicants must provide a 15-30 minute
>> video
>>>demonstrating instruction skills. A panel of subject matter experts will
>>>review the video and evaluate
>>>the candidate's oral defense of said video. The five steps to licensing
>> are
>>>available on the Board's Web site. Applicants may also obtain the
>>>application for examination at www.guidedogboard.ca.gov
>>
>>>The instructor licenses are good for one year and are renewed each year
>>>thereafter for a fee of $100. Along with the fee, an instructor must
>> provide
>>>the Board with evidence of continuing education (either 8 hours of
>>>course/seminar attendance or 16
>>>hours of attendance at meetings of guide dog users or organizations of
>>>the
>>>blind).
>>
>>>If you have any questions about the laws cited above, please feel free to
>>>contact me at (916) 574-7825 . Thank you.
>>
>>>Sincerely,
>>
>>>Antonette Sorrick
>>
>>>ANTONETTE SORRICK
>>>Executive Officer, State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 00:33:50 -0400
>> From: "Angie Matney" <angie.matney at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>> schools
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>> Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <49c71129.050cc00a.64e8.ffffb56d at mx.google.com>
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>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> Am I understanding correctly that they could only get the instructor
>> licensing fees, not the administrative fees?
>>
>> Angie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Michael Hingson
>> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:35 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>> schools
>>
>> Hi Angie,
>>
>> I think the board wishes to license schools outside California so they
>> can
>> get those fees of which you speak. They cannot nor should not prevent
>> follow-up, but they can try to get money from schools with reps living in
>> the state or which fundraise in the state.
>>
>>
>> M. H.
>>
>> The?Michael Hingson Group
>> ???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
>> ?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
>> ???????????????????????? (415) 827-4084
>> ???????????????????info at michaelhingson.com
>> ?????????????? ????www.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>> for info on the new KNFB Reader?Mobile, visit:
>> http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Angie Matney
>> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:21 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>> schools
>>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> I don't know. It seems like they wouldn't really make that much money.
>> Suppose the ten or so non-California schools each licensed threee
>> instructors. The board would get a one-time infusion of $7500, and then
>> about $3000 each year. The
>> statute requires schools that are licensed in California to pay a certain
>> amount of their administrative expenses to the "Guide Dogs for the Blind
>> Fund" (or whatever it's called), but these schools wouldn't be licensed
>> entities in CA, so they
>> wouldn't pay that expense. Do you think the Board would bother with this
>> in
>> an attempt to raise $3000 a year? Or am I missing something?
>>
>> I'm wondering if public outcry in the face of what happened at EDF has
>> led
>> the Board to take these actions.
>>
>> I'm concerned that "training" is not defined in the statute.
>>
>> Angie
>>
>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:52:20 -0700, mhingson wrote:
>>
>>>I do not know what is motivating the board, but I suspect it is not so
>> much
>>>follow up as it might be fund raising.
>>
>>>The Michael Hingson Group
>>>
Speaking with Vision
>>> Michael Hingson, President
>>> (415) 827-4084
>>> info at michaelhingson.com
>>> www.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>>>for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf
>>>Of Margo and Elmo
>>>Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:21 PM
>>>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>>>schools
>>
>>>that doesn't seem quite right to me. So, if the Seeing Eye does follow
>> ups
>>
>>>in California with graduates, they'll have to jump through hoops to
>> provide
>>
>>>those services, and, I don't think the California Board has the right to
>>>tell guide dog schools who function well and so on what they need to know
>> or
>>
>>>do to do follow-ups or home training in California. sounds fishy to me.
>>
>>>margo and Elmo
>>
>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "mhingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
>>>To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:41 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>>>schools
>>
>>
>>>Craig,
>>
>>>Owner-trainers are exempt.
>>
>>>On the other hand, it will be interesting to monitor this and to see how
>> it
>>>shakes down. Many schools do come into California to raise funds as well
>> as
>>>to conduct some training through follow up. Mostly, I suspect that the
>>>board is attempting to secure licensing fees from those schools who do
>> have
>>>some activities in California.
>>
>>>The Michael Hingson Group
>>>"Speaking with Vision"
>>>Michael Hingson, President
>>>(415) 827-4084
>>>info at michaelhingson.com
>>>www.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>>>for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf
>>>Of Craig Borne
>>>Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 6:00 PM
>>>To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>>>schools
>>
>>>Wow.
>>
>>>For a school located outside of California and training guides/handlers
>>>outside of California, I don't see how this would be enforceable. The
>>>statutes cited do not apply to blind handlers, only schools. The State
>>>cannot dictate where a handler goes to acquire a dog, and the State
>>>cannot
>>>override the ADA by not granting access to a handler using a guide dog
>> from
>>>out of State.
>>
>>>This would, however, effect owner/trainers in California, since before
>>>"using" the guide, the owner/trainer would be "training" a non-guide dog.
>>
>>>California cannot set business regulations outside of its borders. This
>>>would be a very slippery slope indeed. I smell revenue enhancing motives
>>>for California.
>>
>>>Craig
>>
>>>Craig Borne
>>>Baltimore, Maryland
>>>"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial
>>>appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in
>>>defense of custom." --Thomas Paine, Common Sense
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf
>>>Of Angie Matney
>>>Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:22 PM
>>>To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>Subject: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state schools
>>
>>>Have people seen this letter from the California State Board of Guide
>>>Dogs
>>>for the Blind to out-of-state dog-guide programs? The text follows the
>> link.
>>
>>>http://www.guidedogboard.ca.gov/forms_pubs/outofstateletter.shtml
>>
>>>Letter to out-of-state schools
>>>Re: Compliance with California State Law Pertaining to Guide Dogs
>>
>>>Dear Out-of-State School:
>>
>>>On July 8, 1947, Governor Earl Warren signed into law the Guide Dog Act.
>>>This act was established to keep out maverick guide dog schools, protect
>> the
>>>visually impaired by setting minimum standards of training, provide
>>>oversight for the disposition
>>>of donor funds and maintain minimum competency of training for licensed
>>>guide dog instructors.
>>
>>>The purpose of this letter is twofold. First, the Board wishes to inform
>> all
>>>out-of-state schools the statutes requiring compliance with licensure
>>>requirements for instruction in the state of California. Second, the
>>>Board
>>>has a process for compliance -
>>>namely the examination for an instructor license. If a candidate for
>>>licensure meets the minimum requirements to sit for the examination, they
>>>are eligible for licensure status. The examination is given twice per
>>>year
>>>and involves a one-day Written
>>>Exam
>>>and a one-day Oral/Practical Exam. Fingerprints are also required before
>>>taking the examination.
>>
>>>First, California law requires a license for the sale or the giving of a
>>>guide dog. Business and Professions Code section 7210 requires that:
>>
>>>It shall be unlawful for any person to sell, offer for sale, give, hire
>>>or
>>>furnish under any other arrangement, any guide dog or seeing-eye dog or
>>>to
>>>engage in the business or occupation of training any such dog unless he
>>>holds a valid and unimpaired
>>>license issued pursuant to the provisions of this chapter.
>>
>>>Second, California law requires guide dog instructors to be licensed. An
>>>instructor "means a person who instructs blind persons in the use of
>>>guide
>>>dogs or who engages in the business of training, selling, hiring, or
>>>supplying guide dogs for the blind."
>>>California law as set forth in 16 CCR section 2284 requires:
>>
>>>Anyone instructing a blind person in the use of a guide dog must be
>> licensed
>>>by the Board, provided, however, that a school may employ apprentices to
>>>assist in such instruction. No apprentice shall act as an instructor
>> except
>>>under the direct and
>>>immediate supervision of a licensed instructor.
>>
>>>Last, B&P Code Section 7213 provides that:
>>
>>>Violation of any provision of this chapter is a misdemeanor.
>>
>>>The process for obtaining an instructor license begins with an
>> examination.
>>>To qualify to take the examination, the individual must have the
>>>following
>>>qualifications as set forth in Statute (B&P Code Section 7209) -- which
>>>states the following:
>>
>>>[P]erson to be eligible for examination as an instructor must (1) have a
>>>knowledge of the special problems of the blind and how to teach them, (2)
>> be
>>>able to demonstrate by actual blindfold test under traffic conditions his
>>>ability to train guide dogs with
>>>whom a blind person would be safe, (3) be suited temperamentally and
>>>otherwise to instruct blind persons in the use of guide dogs, and, (4)
>> have
>>>had at least three years actual experience, comprising such number of
>> hours
>>>as the Board may require,
>>>as an instructor, and have handled twenty-two (22) man-dog units; or its
>>>equivalent, as determined by the Board, as an apprentice under a licensed
>>>instructor or under an instructor in a school satisfactory to the Board.
>>
>>>Applicants for the instructor license are required to take both a written
>>>and practical/oral examination. Applicants must provide a 15-30 minute
>> video
>>>demonstrating instruction skills. A panel of subject matter experts will
>>>review the video and evaluate
>>>the candidate's oral defense of said video. The five steps to licensing
>> are
>>>available on the Board's Web site. Applicants may also obtain the
>>>application for examination at www.guidedogboard.ca.gov
>>
>>>The instructor licenses are good for one year and are renewed each year
>>>thereafter for a fee of $100. Along with the fee, an instructor must
>> provide
>>>the Board with evidence of continuing education (either 8 hours of
>>>course/seminar attendance or 16
>>>hours of attendance at meetings of guide dog users or organizations of
>>>the
>>>blind).
>>
>>>If you have any questions about the laws cited above, please feel free to
>>>contact me at (916) 574-7825 . Thank you.
>>
>>>Sincerely,
>>
>>>Antonette Sorrick
>>
>>>ANTONETTE SORRICK
>>>Executive Officer, State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 22:10:37 -0700
>> From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>> schools
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
>> Dog
>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID:
>>
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>>
>> Angie,
>>
>> I am not sure. I suspect it depends on exactly what activities any given
>> school is performing in CA.
>>
>> The?Michael Hingson Group
>> ???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
>> ?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
>> ???????????????????????? (415) 827-4084
>> ???????????????????info at michaelhingson.com
>> ?????????????? ????www.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>> for info on the new KNFB Reader?Mobile, visit:
>> http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Angie Matney
>> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 9:34 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>> schools
>>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> Am I understanding correctly that they could only get the instructor
>> licensing fees, not the administrative fees?
>>
>> Angie
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Michael Hingson
>> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:35 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>> schools
>>
>> Hi Angie,
>>
>> I think the board wishes to license schools outside California so they
>> can
>> get those fees of which you speak. They cannot nor should not prevent
>> follow-up, but they can try to get money from schools with reps living in
>> the state or which fundraise in the state.
>>
>>
>> M. H.
>>
>> The?Michael Hingson Group
>> ???? ?Speaking?with Vision?
>> ?????????????????Michael Hingson,?President
>> ???????????????????????? (415) 827-4084
>> ???????????????????info at michaelhingson.com
>> ?????????????? ????www.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>> for info on the new KNFB Reader?Mobile, visit:
>> http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Angie Matney
>> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 8:21 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>> schools
>>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> I don't know. It seems like they wouldn't really make that much money.
>> Suppose the ten or so non-California schools each licensed threee
>> instructors. The board would get a one-time infusion of $7500, and then
>> about $3000 each year. The
>> statute requires schools that are licensed in California to pay a certain
>> amount of their administrative expenses to the "Guide Dogs for the Blind
>> Fund" (or whatever it's called), but these schools wouldn't be licensed
>> entities in CA, so they
>> wouldn't pay that expense. Do you think the Board would bother with this
>> in
>> an attempt to raise $3000 a year? Or am I missing something?
>>
>> I'm wondering if public outcry in the face of what happened at EDF has
>> led
>> the Board to take these actions.
>>
>> I'm concerned that "training" is not defined in the statute.
>>
>> Angie
>>
>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:52:20 -0700, mhingson wrote:
>>
>>>I do not know what is motivating the board, but I suspect it is not so
>> much
>>>follow up as it might be fund raising.
>>
>>>The Michael Hingson Group
>>>
Speaking with Vision
>>> Michael Hingson, President
>>> (415) 827-4084
>>> info at michaelhingson.com
>>> www.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>>>for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf
>>>Of Margo and Elmo
>>>Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:21 PM
>>>To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>>>schools
>>
>>>that doesn't seem quite right to me. So, if the Seeing Eye does follow
>> ups
>>
>>>in California with graduates, they'll have to jump through hoops to
>> provide
>>
>>>those services, and, I don't think the California Board has the right to
>>>tell guide dog schools who function well and so on what they need to know
>> or
>>
>>>do to do follow-ups or home training in California. sounds fishy to me.
>>
>>>margo and Elmo
>>
>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "mhingson" <info at michaelhingson.com>
>>>To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:41 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>>>schools
>>
>>
>>>Craig,
>>
>>>Owner-trainers are exempt.
>>
>>>On the other hand, it will be interesting to monitor this and to see how
>> it
>>>shakes down. Many schools do come into California to raise funds as well
>> as
>>>to conduct some training through follow up. Mostly, I suspect that the
>>>board is attempting to secure licensing fees from those schools who do
>> have
>>>some activities in California.
>>
>>>The Michael Hingson Group
>>>"Speaking with Vision"
>>>Michael Hingson, President
>>>(415) 827-4084
>>>info at michaelhingson.com
>>>www.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>>>for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf
>>>Of Craig Borne
>>>Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 6:00 PM
>>>To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>Subject: Re: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state
>>>schools
>>
>>>Wow.
>>
>>>For a school located outside of California and training guides/handlers
>>>outside of California, I don't see how this would be enforceable. The
>>>statutes cited do not apply to blind handlers, only schools. The State
>>>cannot dictate where a handler goes to acquire a dog, and the State
>>>cannot
>>>override the ADA by not granting access to a handler using a guide dog
>> from
>>>out of State.
>>
>>>This would, however, effect owner/trainers in California, since before
>>>"using" the guide, the owner/trainer would be "training" a non-guide dog.
>>
>>>California cannot set business regulations outside of its borders. This
>>>would be a very slippery slope indeed. I smell revenue enhancing motives
>>>for California.
>>
>>>Craig
>>
>>>Craig Borne
>>>Baltimore, Maryland
>>>"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial
>>>appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in
>>>defense of custom." --Thomas Paine, Common Sense
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>Behalf
>>>Of Angie Matney
>>>Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 8:22 PM
>>>To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>Subject: [nagdu] CA State Board tries to regulate out-of-state schools
>>
>>>Have people seen this letter from the California State Board of Guide
>>>Dogs
>>>for the Blind to out-of-state dog-guide programs? The text follows the
>> link.
>>
>>>http://www.guidedogboard.ca.gov/forms_pubs/outofstateletter.shtml
>>
>>>Letter to out-of-state schools
>>>Re: Compliance with California State Law Pertaining to Guide Dogs
>>
>>>Dear Out-of-State School:
>>
>>>On July 8, 1947, Governor Earl Warren signed into law the Guide Dog Act.
>>>This act was established to keep out maverick guide dog schools, protect
>> the
>>>visually impaired by setting minimum standards of training, provide
>>>oversight for the disposition
>>>of donor funds and maintain minimum competency of training for licensed
>>>guide dog instructors.
>>
>>>The purpose of this letter is twofold. First, the Board wishes to inform
>> all
>>>out-of-state schools the statutes requiring compliance with licensure
>>>requirements for instruction in the state of California. Second, the
>>>Board
>>>has a process for compliance -
>>>namely the examination for an instructor license. If a candidate for
>>>licensure meets the minimum requirements to sit for the examination, they
>>>are eligible for licensure status. The examination is given twice per
>>>year
>>>and involves a one-day Written
>>>Exam
>>>and a one-day Oral/Practical Exam. Fingerprints are also required before
>>>taking the examination.
>>
>>>First, California law requires a license for the sale or the giving of a
>>>guide dog. Business and Professions Code section 7210 requires that:
>>
>>>It shall be unlawful for any person to sell, offer for sale, give, hire
>>>or
>>>furnish under any other arrangement, any guide dog or seeing-eye dog or
>>>to
>>>engage in the business or occupation of training any such dog unless he
>>>holds a valid and unimpaired
>>>license issued pursuant to the provisions of this chapter.
>>
>>>Second, California law requires guide dog instructors to be licensed. An
>>>instructor "means a person who instructs blind persons in the use of
>>>guide
>>>dogs or who engages in the business of training, selling, hiring, or
>>>supplying guide dogs for the blind."
>>>California law as set forth in 16 CCR section 2284 requires:
>>
>>>Anyone instructing a blind person in the use of a guide dog must be
>> licensed
>>>by the Board, provided, however, that a school may employ apprentices to
>>>assist in such instruction. No apprentice shall act as an instructor
>> except
>>>under the direct and
>>>immediate supervision of a licensed instructor.
>>
>>>Last, B&P Code Section 7213 provides that:
>>
>>>Violation of any provision of this chapter is a misdemeanor.
>>
>>>The process for obtaining an instructor license begins with an
>> examination.
>>>To qualify to take the examination, the individual must have the
>>>following
>>>qualifications as set forth in Statute (B&P Code Section 7209) -- which
>>>states the following:
>>
>>>[P]erson to be eligible for examination as an instructor must (1) have a
>>>knowledge of the special problems of the blind and how to teach them, (2)
>> be
>>>able to demonstrate by actual blindfold test under traffic conditions his
>>>ability to train guide dogs with
>>>whom a blind person would be safe, (3) be suited temperamentally and
>>>otherwise to instruct blind persons in the use of guide dogs, and, (4)
>> have
>>>had at least three years actual experience, comprising such number of
>> hours
>>>as the Board may require,
>>>as an instructor, and have handled twenty-two (22) man-dog units; or its
>>>equivalent, as determined by the Board, as an apprentice under a licensed
>>>instructor or under an instructor in a school satisfactory to the Board.
>>
>>>Applicants for the instructor license are required to take both a written
>>>and practical/oral examination. Applicants must provide a 15-30 minute
>> video
>>>demonstrating instruction skills. A panel of subject matter experts will
>>>review the video and evaluate
>>>the candidate's oral defense of said video. The five steps to licensing
>> are
>>>available on the Board's Web site. Applicants may also obtain the
>>>application for examination at www.guidedogboard.ca.gov
>>
>>>The instructor licenses are good for one year and are renewed each year
>>>thereafter for a fee of $100. Along with the fee, an instructor must
>> provide
>>>the Board with evidence of continuing education (either 8 hours of
>>>course/seminar attendance or 16
>>>hours of attendance at meetings of guide dog users or organizations of
>>>the
>>>blind).
>>
>>>If you have any questions about the laws cited above, please feel free to
>>>contact me at (916) 574-7825 . Thank you.
>>
>>>Sincerely,
>>
>>>Antonette Sorrick
>>
>>>ANTONETTE SORRICK
>>>Executive Officer, State Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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