[nagdu] vet reports/was/Re: TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison

Marion & Martin swampfox1833 at verizon.net
Mon May 18 01:42:18 UTC 2009


Julie,
    I wasn't comparing "a living animal to a car". I was comparing property 
ownership rights. Whether we like it or not, our dogs are considered 
"property" under the law and no jurisdiction has the right to deprive us of 
our property without due process. Of course, if we do not own the property, 
we have no rights to protect and the owner of such property can repossess it 
at any time and for any reason.

Fraternally,
marion


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JULIE PHILLIPSON" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] vet reports/was/Re: TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison


>I don't think comparing a living animal to a car is in any way appropriate 
>here!
>
> Julie Phillipson
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marion & Martin" <swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 1:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] vet reports/was/Re: TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison
>
>
>> Jenine,
>>    Any such information that is asked for on a voluntary basis would not 
>> be considered either custodial or paternalistic, provided it was truly 
>> voluntary and there were no repurcussions for not complying. For 
>> instance, using my analogy of a car dealership, if Ford required that you 
>> submit maintenance records as a condition of using a vehicle for which 
>> you paid and owned as a condition of possession, no consumer in their 
>> right mind would buy a Ford!
>>
>> Fraternally,
>> Marion
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jenine Stanley" <jeninems at wowway.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:18 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] vet reports/was/Re: TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison
>>
>>
>>> Marion,
>>>
>>> Just a question, not a challenge. Do you consider being asked, not 
>>> required
>>> but asked, to submit health reports periodically a custodial or
>>> paternalistic policy?  Would it be considered  such if the submission 
>>> was
>>> accompanied by an incentive such as discounts on flea and tick 
>>> prevention
>>> products, heartworm pills, etc.?
>>>
>>> Currently, this is GDF's policy, to request yearly health records. We 
>>> give
>>> each graduate a booklet to take to their vet. Each vet visit can be 
>>> logged
>>> and a copy sent to us. This, as Laurie noted, helps us track trends 
>>> after
>>> the dog has gone into the field.
>>>
>>> We are considering how we might collect this data more efficiently for 2
>>> reasons.
>>>
>>> 1. People forget to send in their health records. It's just a fact, not 
>>> a
>>> judgment or condemnation. We would like to have those records in order 
>>> to
>>> improve our breeding program.
>>>
>>> 2. We would like to find a way that people can more easily submit the 
>>> info,
>>> i.e., electronically directly through your vet, etc. Right now you must
>>> remember to take out one of the copies of the report, put it into an 
>>> envelop
>>> or fax it to us. Some people simply don't have access to sighted help 
>>> for
>>> such things if needed. Like it or not, it's a fact of life for folks.
>>>
>>> So, whether a school chooses to track dog health isn't anything more 
>>> than a
>>> measure of what it does overall to serve not only its grads but itself.
>>>
>>> Just my thoughts of course as part of the team working on how to improve 
>>> our
>>> system at GDF.
>>>
>>>
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