[nagdu] TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison

Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS) REBECCA.PICKRELL at ngc.com
Fri May 22 14:17:27 UTC 2009 

Hmmm, I'm not so sure. 
Women having babies get six weeks off whether or not you need or want
it, and that time is increased with a c-section delivery, again whether
or not the mom needs/wants this. 
You also get time off if you are injured in an activity that is not
job-related. 
If I broke my leg skiing, I'd get what is known as short-term disability
which amounts to between six-eight weeks off. I'd get this with no
questions asked. 
Wouldn't providing someone with time off to have a baby or recover from
a broken leg  also count as "undue hardship" especially given that some
new moms choose not to return to the workplace? 
I'm trying to understand why the same thing can't be done for people
getting guide dogs or needing other blindness-related skills. 


-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Angie Matney
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison

Hi Rebecca,

I think that legislation making it easier for people to spend weeks away
from school or their jobs would be met with a great deal of opposition.
In many instances, the extra time would possibly constitute an undue
hardship to an employer or a fundamental alteration to a program. I
think many schools are responding with different traning models that
recognize that, largely as a result of the schools' own efforts in
providing mobility aids to blind people, it is not as feasible for every
student to spend weeks and weeks away from home today as it once was.

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I'm curious if schools are moving away from a model that requires
students to be away from work, school and family for a month. 
Or, is legislation being done to make it easier for people going to
guide dog class  to get the time they need? 
Honestly, the legislation might be easier to create and implement as
well as carry out.If such work has not been done on either front, why
not?

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Subject: Re: [nagdu] TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison

Hi Tina,

Thanks. I take the bar at the end of July. As far as scheduling went, I
was very lucky. I asked Seeing Eye for a January class date. Two weeks
of that class took place over the law school's Holiday break. I actually
trained in January with both my guides. I hope that I can get my net one
sometime around April, 2016! (grin)

Angie





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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
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Congratulations Angie. So when do you take the BAR exam? Just a side
note, I had to take the quarter off to go and train with Dixie. Being
that my school is on the quarter system, I could not be gone for a
month. 
Tina 

"Trust your own instinct. Your mistakes might as well be your own
instead of someone else's."
- Billy Wilder

 
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Tina,

I'm jealous! But I did have to get back because of school. (And on a
positive note, school is over! I graduated yesterday!) Most of my
training with Yani happened during my break, and I only missed one week
of class. But I'll bet you had a great training experience!

Angie with Yani




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Hey Angie-  How could I not stay. Pete Jackson one on one for one week.
It was very cool  


"Trust your own instinct. Your mistakes might as well be your own
instead of someone else's."
- Billy Wilder

 
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Hey Tina,

In my group, there were two Seeing Eye retrains, a first-time guide-dog
handler, and me. I was very, very tempted to stay the extra week, but I
needed to get back to class. The first-timer in our group had the
instructor all to himself for that last week, too. He said it was a
great opportunity.

Angie



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>From what I understand, the instructor to student racial has changed 
>over
the years, and students are receiving more individualized instruction.
When I attended the Seeing Eye back in Feb, there were four of us in my
group.
All but me had received from the Eye prior, So the last week of class, I
had the instructor to myself. 
Tina   


"Trust your own instinct. Your mistakes might as well be your own
instead of someone else's."
- Billy Wilder

 
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Angie, that's really interesting. I would have actually assume that
training would be more individualized at GEB since GEB has a smaller
class size and a smaller student to instructor ratio.

Haben

Angie Matney wrote:
> Hi Tami,
>
> The training at TSE is similar. I obviously can't compare it to GEB, 
> but I will say that what I liked about TSE was that it was very 
> individualized. At my first school, all students went into the city on

> the same day. At TSE, we went in groups. I only went to NYC once, but 
> other students went more often, depending on their needs. Maybe Ann or

> another GEB grad could speak to scheduling at GEB.
>
> Angie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Ann Chiappetta
> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 11:33 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison
>
> Hi Tammy;
> I'm a recent GEB grad and I believe I've gotten great urban training. 
> We were out five days a week for three weeks in downtown White Plains,

> NY, a busy city with plenty of obstacles, like rounded sidewalk  ramps

> buses,,complicated crossings,  scaffolding, and people and other 
> dogs.We trained in NYC only one day but it was great as I got 
> train/subway training and felt the safest I've felt in the subway 
> since
losing my sight.
>
> I live in a suburban/urban setting and Verona's city skills are spot 
> on. We don't have much need for country walking so I make sure I take 
> her on side streets just to keep her skills up. But her shorelining 
> skills are good, too.
> Hope that helps.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tamara Smith-Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 3:26 AM
> Subject: [nagdu] TSE and Guiding Eyes comparison
>
>
>   
>> Hey, all.  A friend was asking me some questions about guide dog 
>> schools, and I had no clue to the answers, so I thought I would ask.
>> She wanted to know how Guiding Eyes and TSE compare when it comes to 
>> urban training for both dog and handler, since both are near NYC.
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone been to both schools?  How would you compare the two?
>>
>>
>>
>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>
>>
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