[nagdu] Preventing Escapes now Greeting People

Mon May 25 22:41:51 UTC 2009

I agree (grin!).  The fact that the "guests" can be trained if they want to 
be trained is what makes it MUCH harder to teach them than it is to teach 
the dogs!  And yes, the magazine articles and training books do note this 
very fact!

Linda and Landon
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From: "Garry and Joy Relton" <relton30857 at cox.net>
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Preventing Escapes now Greeting People

> Linda,
>
> Do any of those books have suggestions on training the guests? Just 
> kidding.
> I've found that training guests can be like herding cats. it can be done,
> but only if they want you to.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Linda Gwizdak
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 2:29 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Preventing Escapes now Greeting People
>
>
> Jordan,
> The problem of jumping on guests is covered in all the training books out
> there - and in the magazines like "Dog Fancy".  They all suggest that you
> put your dog on leash and make the dog SIT. They can't sit and jump at the
> same time.  Train your guests to NEVER aknowledge the dog UNLESS the dog 
> is
> either seated or has all four on the floor and is CALM.  Training the 
> guests
>
> is much harder than training the dog (grin!) The goal: Teach the dog that
> attention NEVER HAPPENS UNLESS THE DOG IS SEATED!  No exceptions!  Total
> consistancy.  Dogs think in black and white: Yes I can, no I can't - no in
> betweens. It won't take long for the dog to realize that in order to get
> what it wants, it has to do a particulart thing - sit to then get greeted 
> by
>
> the guest.
>
> Have people work with you to train the dog by saturating the dog with the
> comings and goings of a "guest".  After the dog is performing perfectly on
> leash consistantly, then try an off leash trial. If the dog jumps on the
> guest, have the guest IMMEDIATELY turn away from the dog and leave.
> Remember, NEVER let the dog win.  Letting the dog get a greeting while
> jumping will wreck the training you've already done and it will reinforce
> the unwanted behavior.
>
> I have a friend with a guide dog who goes insane, like Jordan's dog, when
> her daughter comes to the house.  The dog "won" too many times that the
> behavior became hard wired and my friend couldn't break the dog of this
> habit.  So...life's too short... The dog is put on tie down when the
> daughter comes over.  This is the same dog I posted about the other day 
> who
> bolted out the door and the school instructor used a long nylon line on 
> her.
>
> This same dog is being retired in July and she'll go to her puppy raiser 
> for
>
> retirement.
>
> HTH
>
> Linda and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Katrin Andberg" <katrin at maplewooddog.com>
> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Preventing Escapes now Greeting People
>
>
>> "My dog doesn't bolt ut the doors, but she has a greeting problem.
>> I'm
>>
>> not sure if this is off topic, but I need some suggestions (smile).
>>
>> Viola has to greet every person that walks in the door.  she does not
>> do
>>
>> this calmly or gracefully; she insists on jumping on people and acting
>>
>> completely obnoxiously.  She doesn't jump if I have her on leash, so
>>
>> unless I'm standing over I can correct her in time for it to count.
>> She
>>
>> will run from any room in the house to jump the people at the door.  I
>>
>> don't mind her greeting people if she could just wait to get in the
>> door
>>
>> and stay on all four paws.
>>
>> Jordan and Viola "to Friendly for anyone to handle""
>>
>>
>>
>> The easiest thing I've found for this is to teach an incompatible
>> behavior,
>> which in most cases the simple solution is "sit".  So before I let anyone
>> in
>> the house all the dogs have to 'sit' and 'stay' and remain in a sit until
>> I
>> release them.  Most times I keep them in the sit until the person is in
>> the
>> door, said hello, the excitement is over and things are calm.  If the 
>> dogs
>> are still too excited then the person greets each dog while the dog is
>> still
>> sitting.  Pretty quick the dog learns that 'if I want attention, I need 
>> to
>> keep 4 on the floor and stay in a sit'.  It gives the dog a 'job' to 
>> think
>> about and do rather then get over excited and jump up.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best of luck
>>
>>
>>
>> Katrin
>>
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