[nagdu] Collars wasRE: dog corrections

Wed Sep 2 02:51:53 UTC 2009

Concerning choke chains, and almost any collar for that matter, they can be
used correctly or either incorrectly.  It all depends on the dog as to what
kind of collar needs to be used.  Regardless of the type of collar, with the
proper training, a person can effectively use any type of collar without
being harsh.  Although Lexia wears a choke chain, I rarely have to use it
for corrections.  Perhaps you could ask for a dog with a slightly milder
personality who may not need correcting much.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 8:29 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog corrections

Gary,
I don't think anybody enjoys using a choke chain. That being said, your dog
will do something that is dangerous and/or inappropriate and you will need
to keep him/her in line. 
If you don't have it in you to do this, maybe a dog isn't right for you.

If you have good leadership skills, you'll probably be just fine, unless you
just can't bear to dicipline acute wittle doggie. 
These talks with your girlfriend are productive, knowing what you can and
want to do as a couple (assuming she's long-term) and what you want and can
do as a person are good things to know. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of GARY STEEVES
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:39 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog corrections

Hi Julie:

I am actually quite interested in use of the clicker since this is news to
me. I was just talking with a friend about his dog when he mentioned this as
a way to add to his guide dogs training.

My reason for asking about corrections came from a conversation with my
girlfriend about  the fact that I would not enjoy being a person who had to
use a choke chain as a means of correction. That being said, I am curious
about how other guide dog users deal with corrections. It is now a question
I will ask my perspective schools as well.

I am really enjoying the thread though and hope others will continue to
share how they manage doing corrections with their dogs. Or how they
encourage the correct behaviour as well.

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Julie J <julielj at windstream.net>
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:51 pm
Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog corrections
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>

> Joy,
> 
> Yes, that makes sense.  Definitely clicker training can be used to 
> train an appropriate behavior in place of the unwanted response.
> 
> I thought the original poster was asking about punitive punishment 
> type corrections, which are not a part of clicker methods.
> 
> Thanks!
> Julie
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joy Relton" <jrelton at verizon.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 1:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog corrections
> 
> 
> > Julie,
> >
> > I simply mean that you may be correcting a behavior by using a
> positive
> > way
> > of doing the thing you want done. Corrections are not all punitive.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Julie J
> > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:13 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog corrections
> >
> >
> > Joy,
> >
> > The clicker is used to mark a behavior that you like.  
> Then a treat is
> > given.  So the click indicates two things, "yes, that is
> what I want" and
> > "a
> >
> > treat is on the way".  There is no correction of a
> punitive nature in
> > clicker training.
> >
> > I suppose though the clicker could be used entirely
> differently from
> > anything I have read or experienced.  It makes me wince though.
> >
> > I am very curious to know where you got the information that
> clickers were
> > used in this way?
> >
> > Julie
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joy Relton" <jrelton at verizon.net>
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
> Dog Users'"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog corrections
> >
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I believe that another means of correction is the clicker
> though it's
> >> principal is different than a leash correction its purpose is the 
> >> same. I agree with Tracy, the correction varies with the dog
> and it
> >> also differs with the situation. If your dog has just gone
> through a
> >> pretty difficult area and handled it nicely a firm, but quiet
> "knock>> it off" or "no" will probably do the trick. If there's an 
> especially
> >> smelly area that the dog just won't give up on, you might
> have to be
> >> more firm. I was trained that the dog got two tries with verbal 
> >> correction before I should resort to a leash correction, and
> then the
> >> big "pfui" word should be used. That word, by the way, is uniquely 
> >> Seeing Eye. Even though my lab can be hard headed I rarely
> have to use
> >> a leash correction, but the big "pfui" word usually gets a 
> >> reaction. I have never used a clicker to show proper
> behavior, but I
> >> have
> >> found that getting the dog to do what you want and praising them 
> >> enthusiastically does as much if not more good than a harsh
> correction. 
> >> Of
> >> course, it depends on the situation, and the infraction. If
> I'm run into
> >> something because she was sniffing, she'll get a leash
> correction if it's
> >> a
> >> hard bump or something dangerous.
> >>
> >> Joy with Belle, who says, she's really a very good girl and never 
> >> means to do anything bad.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:06 AM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] dog corrections
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't think it varies much between schools.  It
> definitely is
> >> different for each dog, and also can depend on the situation. 
> When my
> >> current dog, Ben, is really distracted, it can take a good
> two-handed
> >> yank on his chain collar to get him back on track.  
> Sometimes I have
> >> to pull the collar up around his ears, which really does
> choke him for
> >> a second when I jerk the leash.  But he knows that, and
> just pulling
> >> the collar up puts him on his toes and makes him forget that 
> >> fascinating bush. But, if he's only starting to be
> distracted, a
> >> hup-up or a sharper pfui can get his focus back. My previous dog, 
> >> Echo, could almost always be corrected with a sharp word, and not 
> >> too sharp either.  Too much, and she'd fall apart
> for a little while.
> >> I
> >> use the thigh slap if the dog is pushing me too close to
> something on my
> >> right side. So part of learning to work with a new dog is
> learning what
> >> kind
> >> of correction works best.  And learning to be a better
> handler involves
> >> learning what to use in which situation, I think.
> >>
> >> Tracy
> >>
> >>> Hello Everyone:
> >>>
> >>> I have a question that I will be quite interested in
> peoples  ansers
> >>> about. I am curious when people say that they "correct" 
> their dog
> >>> what do they mean?
> >>>
> >>> I have  witnessed different examples of this such as
> pulling on a
> >>> choke collar, a sharply spoken word, slapping a thigh, the
> sound the
> >>> dog whisper uses on his show. Is the means of correction something

> >>> that differs from school to school as well.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you
> >>> Gary
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