[nagdu] Retirement and Dog Sitter Access

[Pickrell, Rebecca M (IS)]

Agreed. 
Also, I am uncomfortable with the idea that a person must be home all
day to adopt a retired dog. My retired dogs have gone to families with
working "parents" and both dogs seemed happy. You can be home all day
and ignore a dog, just as you can work full time and give a dog love and
attention. Having a second dog helps, and there are doggie daycares
which also help. 
I'm also not sure that "retired dogs need people more". Our dogs adapt
to a lot. 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Julie J
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:35 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Retirement and Dog Sitter Access

Nicole,

Puppy raisers have no access rights when taking puppies in training into

public places.   The ADA is very clear that in order for a person to be
able 
to take a service dog into public places the person must have a
disability and the dog must be trained to mitigate that disability.
Generally puppy raisers are not disabled and puppies are puppies not
trained to mitigate any disability.  BTW it is the person who has access
rights not the dog.

There are some, maybe many?, states that do have laws that allow a
trainer or raiser to take the puppy into public places for training
purposes.  The particulars vary from state to state.  Pet dogs cannot be
in places where 
there is food or in health care settings.   Any other place, hardware 
stores, beauty salons, banks etc.  it is up to the individual store
owner whether or not to allow dogs.  Many will allow a dog in training
in if you ask.

Okay now my thoughts on your question about retirement...I think once a
dog is retired and placed in a different home with a non-disabled
handler, the dog is no longer functioning as a service or guide dog.  It
is the handler that has the access rights, not the dog.  since the
handler  does not need the dog to mitigate a disability there are no
rights to take the dog anywhere that pets are not normally allowed.

I see no reason why someone couldn't take the dog to work with them if
their 
employer gave them permission to do so.   There are pet friendly work 
places, hotels, vacation resorts etc.  I think all the same rules as for
pet dogs should apply to retired guides.

JMHO
Julie


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 10:19 PM
Subject: [nagdu] Retirement and Dog Sitter Access


> All of this discussion about access with our dogs makes me think of a
new
> question.  I know that the puppy raisers can take the dogs anywhere,
but
> what is the policy and what do people think about during retirement
and 
> when
> someone is dog sitting?  I raise this question because I feel that our

> dogs
> come to need people more than the average dog.  Yes, when leaving your
dog
> with someone, you should find someone who is home enough.  Same goes
for
> retirement.  But what if that one person who would be perfect to take
the
> dog, say one of your old teachers or your parents or someone else, has
a 
> job
> that, although not necessarily allowing dogs, it would not be a
problem 
> for
> them to take the dog with them if it were allowed?  I certainly would
not
> expect a dog sitter or an owner to have all of the access rights
> (restaurants, stores, etc), but I would expect at least some, such as
work
> and hotels.  Just food for thought.  Please excuse me if this is
getting 
> off
> topic.
>
> Nicole
>
>
>
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