[nagdu] problems with new dog

Tue Apr 20 21:26:54 UTC 2010

Julie,

I agree about the squirt bottle.  Not enough control for Cheryl in that
method.  /smile/

Sounds like her plan of having her spouse tell the visitors to buzz the gate
and wait for her to get the dog so that she has control is a good one.

Daisy dog apparently had the squirt bottle method applied to her; I had to
stop using anything that make make that kind of sound for six months or more
of dedicated work on her anxiety issues before I could use my leave-in
conditioner without having to drop everything and pull her off of Mitzi
because she had gone crazed.  Daisy, not Mitzi. She never hurt Mitzi, but I
have a firm policy of no beating up the guide dog because I spray stuff in
my hair when you're in the other room.  Or for any other reason.  /smile/

Whatever caused Daisy to be crazy over squirt or spray bottles, it was
apparently pretty traumatic.  Sigh.  Then again, she was traumatized in a
lot of ways, and I had to untangle many kinks in her psyche before I started
anything like training... She's pretty good now even when she does get riled
up, and she can bring herself back down or I can bring her down pretty
easily.  Whew!

Anyway, the possibility of stuff -- even plain water -- in the eyes is one
reason I've never gone with the squirt bottle plan even with cats.  /smile/
My cats would end up having manners and learning boundaries without that.  I
wouldn't call them trained...  They were cats, after all.  /grin/

Tami Smith-Kinney

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Julie J
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:54 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] problems with new dog

I'm also thinking that if the person misses and gets that into the dogs eyes

that it will cause some SERIOUS pain.    I'm not talking just a little 
discomfort here.  Have you ever gotten vinegar into your eyes?  I don't know

if it could cause damage if done repeatedly, but I don't think I'd want to 
find out.

Not something I would do.

Julie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] problems with new dog

> Only really works if the visitors can see. Also, if Cheryl is totally
> blind, she won't know when the dog sits unless she's very close within
> touching distance.
> One of the many differences in training dogs with a person who is blind
> in the mix. Also, sure hope Cheryl doesn't encounter anybody carrying
> spray bottles using this method. Also hope Cheryl doesn't do a lot of
> ironing or she'll be totally screwed.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of countrygrl290 at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 8:43 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] problems with new dog
>
>
>
>
> get a squirt bottle put it on stream fill it half water half vinegar
> hang it on the fence whoever comes in can hold it and when she goes to
> jump have them squirt it right at her mouth and tell her DONT in a big
> mean voice  this will fix it   eventually all she will have to do is see
> the bottle and she will know if she jumps she will get corrected    when
> she sits  be sure to praise her though otherwise you will teach her she
> should be afriad of people which isnt what you want  you can also show
> her the bottle when they come in  or whoever comes in can show her the
> bottle  ask her to sit if she refuses  and jumps squirt her tell her
> dont eventually she will get the pic  if she does sit however you must
> praise right asway  she will then learn when people come if i sit i get
> pet if i dont I get squirt hope this helps e mail off list if you need
> help
> cari
> COUNTRYGRL290 at aol.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cheryl Osborn <chapalacheryl at gmail.com>
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Mon, Apr 19, 2010 9:25 am
> Subject: [nagdu] problems with new dog
>
>
> Hi everyone
>
> Sorry, but this is going to be a long message.
>
> A little background first.  I received my new dog, Inga, this last
> December and though she works well in harness, I have been having
> several behavioral problems with her when she is out of harness.  She
> is very puppy-like and gets into everything.  She loves to chew up
> anything.  She is my third dog from Seeing Eye.  Of course, I expect
> her to behave as well as my last dog.  <grin>
>
> The Seeing Eye sent a trainer down to work with us about 2 months ago.
> He brought me a pinch collar so that I could have a little better
> control of Inga.  I had explained to him and the Seeing Eye that most
> of the problems I was having were in our home.  Since I have mobility
> issues, the pinch collar helped to keep Inga from dragging me around
> and suddenly darting away when I was trying to park her.  There were
> several times that she jerked so hard that I landed on my face.  The
> collar also helps in that I am unable to give a strong physical
> correction.  There are many times when I wonder if the puppy raiser
> just allowed Inga to do whatever she wanted, because her behavior is
> so bad.  By the way, when not working, she does get plenty of exercise
> playing with our Great Pyrinese.
>
> My main concern now is that I cannot keep Inga from jumping on people
> when she is not in harness.  When someone comes to visit, especially
> if they are shy of dogs, Inga is surely going to jump on them.  This
> is bad behaviour, of course, but especially bad when some of our
> friends are afraid of dogs.  I correct Inga, when I can, but it always
> seems to happen before I can get to her.  You see, we have a very
> large yard, so when people come through the gate, I am not there to do
> anything about it.  I have told everyone to give her a knee in the
> chest whenever she jumps on them, but those who are shy won't do this.
>
>
>
> Cheryl in Mexico
> chapalacheryl at gmail.com
>
> Any suggestions will be appreciated.
>
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