[nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs

Sun Apr 25 22:40:44 UTC 2010

Cheryl E,

No, no, no.  I'm not saying ID is required.  I want everyone to understand 
that.  ID is not required to be able to travel by plane with your guide dog.

What I was trying to say is that it isn't illegal for them to ask for ID. 
Asking and requiring are two different things.  Remember that the ACAA 
wasn't written specifically with guide dogs in mind.  It covers all types of 
service dogs.  Guide dogs wear harnesses so they are pretty readily 
identifiable as service animals.  But if your deaf and your dog only has a 
collar and leash and you can't give credible verbal assurance because you 
don't speak, then ID might be a convenient way to offer assurance that your 
dog is indeed a service animal.

Just sayin'
Julie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs

>I have looked at all the airlines I primarily deal with such as American, 
>Delta, Southwest, Northwest, airtran, and on their websites under 
>disabilities say nothing to the fact that they need any ids whatsoever, I 
>will start calling them on Monday.
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 3:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs
>
>
>> Albert,
>>
>> My understanding is that yes, under the ACAA they can ask for ID as proof 
>> of
>> an animal as a service animal.  However ID is not required as a condition 
>> of
>> access under the ACAA.  I'm remembering that there are four items that 
>> count
>> as proof: ID, presence of cape/harness/specialized equipment, a letter 
>> from
>> a health care professional or the credible verbal assurances of the 
>> handler.
>> Any one of the four works as evidence that an animal is a service animal. 
>> I
>> should add that this information may not be accurate after the recent
>> changes.
>>
>> So they can ask for ID, but if you offer credible verbal assurance that 
>> your
>> dog in harness is a guide, it's all good! *smile*
>>
>> Julie
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs
>>
>>
>> > Does the aca allow for asking for identification  in any instance to
>> > support
>> > proof of disability or need for a service animal?
>> >
>> > Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
>> > CEO/Founder
>> > My Blind Spot, Inc.
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>> > New York, New York  10004
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>> > PH: 917-553-0347
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>> > "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who 
>> > is
>> > doing it."
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>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> > Behalf
>> > Of Marion Gwizdala
>> > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:51 AM
>> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs
>> >
>> > Jewel,
>> >    First of all, we are not required to produce identification for our
>> > service animals. Access is based upon the credible assertions of the
>> > disabled person. As for air carriers, they are not under the 
>> > jurisdiction
>> > of
>> >
>> > the Department of Justice nor the provisions of the ADA. They are under
>> > the
>> > jurisdiction of the U.S. Department of Transportation and the Air 
>> > Carrier
>> > Access Act (ACAA).
>> >
>> > Fraternally yours,
>> > Marion Gwizdala
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 9:40 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs
>> >
>> >
>> >> They can't refuse you just because you don't have a specific card, can
>> >> they? They are only allowed to ask what tasks the dog performs for
>> >> you, and cannot ask what your disability is. To deny access because
>> >> you don't have an ID like that is against ADA, isn't it? I understnd
>> >> needing rabie shot and vaccine paperwork, but they can't seriously
>> >> deny you for not having a school id, right?
>> >>
>> >> ~Jewel
>> >>
>> >> On 4/23/10, Susan Jones <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>> On one occasion, when I was flying Southwest Airlines from Indy to
>> >>> Chicago,
>> >>> they asked to see my Guiding Eyes ID card.
>> >>> Glad I was that I had it, or they may not have let me onto the plane.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> >>> Behalf
>> >>> Of Tracy Carcione
>> >>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 8:54 AM
>> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs
>> >>>
>> >>> In 30 years of using guide dogs, I think I've shown my guide dog ID
>> >>> maybe
>> >>> twice. If I didn't have it, I probably wouldn't notice.
>> >>>
>> >>> Gee, I'd love one of them self-trained guide dogs! <grin>  Just pick 
>> >>> out
>> >>> a
>> >>> dog I like, do the magic self-training spell, et voila! Sounds great!
>> >>> Tracy
>> >>>
>> >>>> Cheryl O,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In the U.S. ID cards or certification isn't required as a condition 
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> access.  I don't have any guide dog ID.  I used to carry copies of
>> >>>> state laws, but they got old and ratty and I haven't printed new 
>> >>>> ones.
>> >>>> BTW I have never been asked for ID or had any access challenges
>> >>>> concerning my owner trained guide dogs.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Julie
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Cheryl Osborn" <chapalacheryl at gmail.com>
>> >>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:27 AM
>> >>>> Subject: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>I would like to know what people use for identification cards when
>> >>>>>they have trained their own dogs.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Cheryl in Mexico
>> >>>>> chapalacheryl at gmail.com
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