[nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs

Sun Apr 25 23:41:20 UTC 2010

Cool!  This is very good information. 

Tami Smith-Kinney

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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of cheryl echevarria
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 2:27 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs

I have looked at all the airlines I primarily deal with such as American, 
Delta, Southwest, Northwest, airtran, and on their websites under 
disabilities say nothing to the fact that they need any ids whatsoever, I 
will start calling them on Monday.

Cheryl Echevarria
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs

> Albert,
>
> My understanding is that yes, under the ACAA they can ask for ID as proof 
> of
> an animal as a service animal.  However ID is not required as a condition 
> of
> access under the ACAA.  I'm remembering that there are four items that 
> count
> as proof: ID, presence of cape/harness/specialized equipment, a letter 
> from
> a health care professional or the credible verbal assurances of the 
> handler.
> Any one of the four works as evidence that an animal is a service animal. 
> I
> should add that this information may not be accurate after the recent
> changes.
>
> So they can ask for ID, but if you offer credible verbal assurance that 
> your
> dog in harness is a guide, it's all good! *smile*
>
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Albert J Rizzi" <albert at myblindspot.org>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs
>
>
> > Does the aca allow for asking for identification  in any instance to
> > support
> > proof of disability or need for a service animal?
> >
> > Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
> > CEO/Founder
> > My Blind Spot, Inc.
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> > "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who 
> > is
> > doing it."
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> > Behalf
> > Of Marion Gwizdala
> > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:51 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs
> >
> > Jewel,
> >    First of all, we are not required to produce identification for our
> > service animals. Access is based upon the credible assertions of the
> > disabled person. As for air carriers, they are not under the 
> > jurisdiction
> > of
> >
> > the Department of Justice nor the provisions of the ADA. They are under
> > the
> > jurisdiction of the U.S. Department of Transportation and the Air 
> > Carrier
> > Access Act (ACAA).
> >
> > Fraternally yours,
> > Marion Gwizdala
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 9:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs
> >
> >
> >> They can't refuse you just because you don't have a specific card, can
> >> they? They are only allowed to ask what tasks the dog performs for
> >> you, and cannot ask what your disability is. To deny access because
> >> you don't have an ID like that is against ADA, isn't it? I understnd
> >> needing rabie shot and vaccine paperwork, but they can't seriously
> >> deny you for not having a school id, right?
> >>
> >> ~Jewel
> >>
> >> On 4/23/10, Susan Jones <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>> On one occasion, when I was flying Southwest Airlines from Indy to
> >>> Chicago,
> >>> they asked to see my Guiding Eyes ID card.
> >>> Glad I was that I had it, or they may not have let me onto the plane.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>> Behalf
> >>> Of Tracy Carcione
> >>> Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 8:54 AM
> >>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs
> >>>
> >>> In 30 years of using guide dogs, I think I've shown my guide dog ID
> >>> maybe
> >>> twice. If I didn't have it, I probably wouldn't notice.
> >>>
> >>> Gee, I'd love one of them self-trained guide dogs! <grin>  Just pick 
> >>> out
> >>> a
> >>> dog I like, do the magic self-training spell, et voila! Sounds great!
> >>> Tracy
> >>>
> >>>> Cheryl O,
> >>>>
> >>>> In the U.S. ID cards or certification isn't required as a condition 
> >>>> of
> >>>> access.  I don't have any guide dog ID.  I used to carry copies of
> >>>> state laws, but they got old and ratty and I haven't printed new 
> >>>> ones.
> >>>> BTW I have never been asked for ID or had any access challenges
> >>>> concerning my owner trained guide dogs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Julie
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Cheryl Osborn" <chapalacheryl at gmail.com>
> >>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:27 AM
> >>>> Subject: [nagdu] Self-trained guide dogs
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I would like to know what people use for identification cards when
> >>>>>they have trained their own dogs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Cheryl in Mexico
> >>>>> chapalacheryl at gmail.com
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