[nagdu] being reported to your school

Sun Aug 1 00:31:55 UTC 2010

Marsha,

Since there's no school to report me to, people report me to my roommate.
/lol/  He will then discuss whatever it is with me.

The latest?  I am not safe with Mitzi because she does not, apparently, sit
immediately when I ask her to...  Or something like that.  I'm a bit
confused, because I almost never ask her to sit, especially in harness.  But
I guess her 'sit" is altogether unsatisfactory and so I am in deadly danger
going anywhere with her...  Seems to me there was something else someone
talked to him about a few monts back that was really ridiculous, only now I
can't even remember what it was.

Often, I get the impression that people have concerns because Mitzi doesn't
obey him, or in some instances, them.  /smile/  I always reward her for
this, since people will insist on tellinger what to do and where to go.  I
am always so proud of her for not obeying them! /grin/

So I guess you never know how people are going to interpret our interactions
with our dogs.  /smile/

As for neglect or abuse...  I tend to agree with those who say it should be
up to local authorities.  If I were to witness such and thing, often enough
to know that it was a pattern, I would probably also want to inform the
school.  But it is animal control that has the wherewithal to investigate
reports of neglect and abuse.

Tami Smith-Kinney

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Marsha Drenth
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 6:38 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: [nagdu] being reported to your school

This is a very very interesting discussion. I have a SE pup, and I have even
been reported to SE. And no I do not abuse my pup, never have, never could,
never would. The person who reported me, had never had anything to do with
guides, nor did have a guide. He perceived to be what I was doing was wrong.
It was completely stupid, and the school told him so. 

So what I am saying, even those handlers who are good handlers get reported.
That does not mean I should not have a dog, or that my school should come
and take my dog away. I like that I have ownership of my pup. 

Its always going to be sticky, because what one person see as right, another
will see as wrong. So I urge all, to really, consider what they consider
abuse before reporting anyone. 

Marsha

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jordan Frances Ortiz
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 7:36 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising

Yes people can lie on reports, but without ownership the school the dog 
is from can coem in at any point to take the dog back.  for example 
(true but without names0  I know someone who has been reported multiple 
times to his guide dog school (one of those times b eing me) for abusing 
his dog.  Again he may be abusive he may just bee seen wrong but the 
school cant do much about it because they gave him ownership.  Maybe it 
would help maybe it wouldn't but these are just my thoughts.

Jordan and Viola

The Pawpower Pack wrote:
> Dan and all,
>
> I agree that making a good impression is very subjective.  What one 
> person sees as "mistreatment" another sees as "interacting with their 
> dog."
> I have heard about people getting upset when a person gave a leash 
> correction.  Someone got very angry with me upon seeing me give my dog 
> a click and a treat at the corner.  They were of the mindset that food 
> is bad for a dog who is working and in their eyes I was acting very 
> irresponsibly.  To me, it's just how I work with my dogs.  As for the 
> ID issue, they are worth as much as the paper they're printed on.  I 
> can go into Kinkos and make up and ID which is as professional looking 
> as that issued by any program.  It would probably make my life easier 
> if I did, at least in some respects.  When handlers go around flashing 
> their ID to make it easier for them, it gives the business owner the 
> idea that they have the right to ask for one from the next handler and 
> that they should expect the handler to provide said documentation upon 
> request.  I've had to disabuse many business owners of this notion.  
> When people flash that ID, they may be making it easier for 
> themselves, but they make it harder for the next person coming after 
> you.  They are also sending a message that asking and expecting the 
> next handler to provide this documentation is perfectly legal and 
> acceptable.
>
> Also, an abusive person can have ID and fill out vet reports to their 
> hearts content.  That proves nothing except that they're good at 
> filling out forms.  If I'm beating up my dog, I'm hardly going to 
> admit that on the vet form.
> Rox and the Herbal HenchHounds
> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
> "It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point 
> out that the emperor has no clothes. But the half-wit remains a 
> half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor."-- Neil Gaiman
> http://www.pawpowercreations.com/retreat.html
> pawpower4me at gmail.com
> AIM: Brissysgirl
>
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