[nagdu] being reported to your school

Sun Aug 1 23:22:53 UTC 2010

I have a few times.  I have also mentioned in a non-judgemental way that if 
she isn't working the dog, and feels she doesn't use the dog enough to maybe 
send the dog, she says she doesn't have ownership of the dog, the dog is 
fine and not that old maybe a few months older than Maxx since she graduated 
the school a few month before me

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] being reported to your school

> Hi Cheryl,
> I'd just pleasantly ask the person if her guide dog is okay.  You just
> noticed that she wasn't bringing the dog anywhere lately and you wanted to
> know if the dog was okay.  See what she says. Could be that she is having 
> a
> proiblem and is afraid to get help and just avoids the situation 
> altogether
> and leaves the dog home.  Or, a dog isn't for her and she got attached to 
> it
> and is keeping it as a pet.
>
> I'd certainly talk to her in a non judgemental manner before even thinking
> of calling the school.
>
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 3:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] being reported to your school
>
>
> > my issue is that I know someone who graduated from my school and she
> > doesn't use her dog at all, she has come to NFB meetings no dog, she has
> > come  to state conventions no dog,  haven't even seen dog on bus 
> > anymore.
> > Afraid to report her.
> >
> > The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
> >
> > Cheryl Echevarria
> > Independent Travel Consultant
> > C10-10646
> >
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> > 1-866-580-5574
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> >
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> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Steve Johnson" <stevencjohnson at centurytel.net>
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 12:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] being reported to your school
> >
> >
> >> Marsha,
> >>
> >> Then, there is the issue that takes the idea of abuse in a slightly
> >> different direction in that of it not being a directly physical type, 
> >> but
> >> the issue of weight.  Is this abuse, mistreatment, neglect?  This does
> >> financially cost guide dog agencies, as the turn around time for an
> >> individual who does not take carae of their dog is much less and
> >> therefore
> >> instead of working it's anticipated years, those are cut short due to
> >> this
> >> as the physical strain on these dogs causes much more significant
> >> physical
> >> issues thus the greater potential for early retirement.  When these 
> >> dogs
> >> are
> >> issued, they are at their ideal weight, and if anyone would suggest 
> >> that
> >> the
> >> dog still has growing to do, this would cause some concern.  I believe 
> >> we
> >> tend to view abuse not to include something such as improper weight
> >> management which I do believe needs to be considered in this continuum 
> >> of
> >> abuse/neglect/mistreatment.
> >>
> >> JMHO
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> Behalf
> >> Of Marsha Drenth
> >> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 8:38 PM
> >> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> >> Subject: [nagdu] being reported to your school
> >>
> >> This is a very very interesting discussion. I have a SE pup, and I have
> >> even
> >> been reported to SE. And no I do not abuse my pup, never have, never
> >> could,
> >> never would. The person who reported me, had never had anything to do
> >> with
> >> guides, nor did have a guide. He perceived to be what I was doing was
> >> wrong.
> >> It was completely stupid, and the school told him so.
> >>
> >> So what I am saying, even those handlers who are good handlers get
> >> reported.
> >> That does not mean I should not have a dog, or that my school should 
> >> come
> >> and take my dog away. I like that I have ownership of my pup.
> >>
> >> Its always going to be sticky, because what one person see as right,
> >> another
> >> will see as wrong. So I urge all, to really, consider what they 
> >> consider
> >> abuse before reporting anyone.
> >>
> >> Marsha
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> Behalf
> >> Of Jordan Frances Ortiz
> >> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 7:36 PM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising
> >>
> >> Yes people can lie on reports, but without ownership the school the dog
> >> is
> >> from can coem in at any point to take the dog back.  for example (true
> >> but
> >> without names0  I know someone who has been reported multiple times to
> >> his
> >> guide dog school (one of those times b eing me) for abusing his dog.
> >> Again
> >> he may be abusive he may just bee seen wrong but the school cant do 
> >> much
> >> about it because they gave him ownership.  Maybe it would help maybe it
> >> wouldn't but these are just my thoughts.
> >>
> >> Jordan and Viola
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The Pawpower Pack wrote:
> >> > Dan and all,
> >> >
> >> > I agree that making a good impression is very subjective.  What one
> >> > person sees as "mistreatment" another sees as "interacting with their
> >> > dog."
> >> > I have heard about people getting upset when a person gave a leash
> >> > correction.  Someone got very angry with me upon seeing me give my 
> >> > dog
> >> > a click and a treat at the corner.  They were of the mindset that 
> >> > food
> >> > is bad for a dog who is working and in their eyes I was acting very
> >> > irresponsibly.  To me, it's just how I work with my dogs.  As for the
> >> > ID issue, they are worth as much as the paper they're printed on.  I
> >> > can go into Kinkos and make up and ID which is as professional 
> >> > looking
> >> > as that issued by any program.  It would probably make my life easier
> >> > if I did, at least in some respects.  When handlers go around 
> >> > flashing
> >> > their ID to make it easier for them, it gives the business owner the
> >> > idea that they have the right to ask for one from the next handler 
> >> > and
> >> > that they should expect the handler to provide said documentation 
> >> > upon
> >> > request.  I've had to disabuse many business owners of this notion.
> >> > When people flash that ID, they may be making it easier for
> >> > themselves, but they make it harder for the next person coming after
> >> > you.  They are also sending a message that asking and expecting the
> >> > next handler to provide this documentation is perfectly legal and
> >> > acceptable.
> >> >
> >> > Also, an abusive person can have ID and fill out vet reports to their
> >> > hearts content.  That proves nothing except that they're good at
> >> > filling out forms.  If I'm beating up my dog, I'm hardly going to
> >> > admit that on the vet form.
> >> > Rox and the Herbal HenchHounds
> >> > Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
> >> > "It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to 
> >> > point
> >> > out that the emperor has no clothes. But the half-wit remains a
> >> > half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor."-- Neil Gaiman
> >> > http://www.pawpowercreations.com/retreat.html
> >> > pawpower4me at gmail.com
> >> > AIM: Brissysgirl
> >> >
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