[nagdu] being reported to your school

Tue Aug 3 12:49:34 UTC 2010

Why is it your business to report her? Why not I don't know, ask her how
she's doing? 
The transition from using your dog to deciding not to use your dog can
be a slow and painful one. 
Also, how do you know she isn't using the dog. She may be just not when
you see her. Assuming you care about this person at all, if she does
open up to you, let her talk. Don't try to change her mind or tell her
she's wrong When I retired my first dog due to her getting older, it
wasn't helpful to hear "You'll get another dog" "This is for the best"
or "at least you don't have cancer" which is what someone actually did
say to me once.
When I was going through the same process with my second dog, it didn't
help when people said "But you'll miss her" or "You'll need her when
your daughter is older" or "She's such a good dog". 
Your friend will need to decouple her emotions from her decision tree
regarding working her dog. 
Why you would even think of reporting her v. staying quiet or offering
true love and compassion is beyond me. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Linda Gwizdak
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 12:49 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] being reported to your school

Hi Cheryl,
I'd just pleasantly ask the person if her guide dog is okay.  You just 
noticed that she wasn't bringing the dog anywhere lately and you wanted
to 
know if the dog was okay.  See what she says. Could be that she is
having a 
proiblem and is afraid to get help and just avoids the situation
altogether 
and leaves the dog home.  Or, a dog isn't for her and she got attached
to it 
and is keeping it as a pet.

I'd certainly talk to her in a non judgemental manner before even
thinking 
of calling the school.

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] being reported to your school

> my issue is that I know someone who graduated from my school and she 
> doesn't use her dog at all, she has come to NFB meetings no dog, she
has 
> come  to state conventions no dog,  haven't even seen dog on bus
anymore. 
> Afraid to report her.
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Johnson" <stevencjohnson at centurytel.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"

> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 12:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] being reported to your school
>
>
>> Marsha,
>>
>> Then, there is the issue that takes the idea of abuse in a slightly
>> different direction in that of it not being a directly physical type,
but
>> the issue of weight.  Is this abuse, mistreatment, neglect?  This
does
>> financially cost guide dog agencies, as the turn around time for an
>> individual who does not take carae of their dog is much less and 
>> therefore
>> instead of working it's anticipated years, those are cut short due to

>> this
>> as the physical strain on these dogs causes much more significant 
>> physical
>> issues thus the greater potential for early retirement.  When these
dogs 
>> are
>> issued, they are at their ideal weight, and if anyone would suggest
that 
>> the
>> dog still has growing to do, this would cause some concern.  I
believe we
>> tend to view abuse not to include something such as improper weight
>> management which I do believe needs to be considered in this
continuum of
>> abuse/neglect/mistreatment.
>>
>> JMHO
>> Steve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Marsha Drenth
>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 8:38 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: [nagdu] being reported to your school
>>
>> This is a very very interesting discussion. I have a SE pup, and I
have 
>> even
>> been reported to SE. And no I do not abuse my pup, never have, never 
>> could,
>> never would. The person who reported me, had never had anything to do

>> with
>> guides, nor did have a guide. He perceived to be what I was doing was

>> wrong.
>> It was completely stupid, and the school told him so.
>>
>> So what I am saying, even those handlers who are good handlers get 
>> reported.
>> That does not mean I should not have a dog, or that my school should
come
>> and take my dog away. I like that I have ownership of my pup.
>>
>> Its always going to be sticky, because what one person see as right, 
>> another
>> will see as wrong. So I urge all, to really, consider what they
consider
>> abuse before reporting anyone.
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Jordan Frances Ortiz
>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 7:36 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising
>>
>> Yes people can lie on reports, but without ownership the school the
dog 
>> is
>> from can coem in at any point to take the dog back.  for example
(true 
>> but
>> without names0  I know someone who has been reported multiple times
to 
>> his
>> guide dog school (one of those times b eing me) for abusing his dog. 
>> Again
>> he may be abusive he may just bee seen wrong but the school cant do
much
>> about it because they gave him ownership.  Maybe it would help maybe
it
>> wouldn't but these are just my thoughts.
>>
>> Jordan and Viola
>>
>>
>>
>> The Pawpower Pack wrote:
>> > Dan and all,
>> >
>> > I agree that making a good impression is very subjective.  What one
>> > person sees as "mistreatment" another sees as "interacting with
their
>> > dog."
>> > I have heard about people getting upset when a person gave a leash
>> > correction.  Someone got very angry with me upon seeing me give my
dog
>> > a click and a treat at the corner.  They were of the mindset that
food
>> > is bad for a dog who is working and in their eyes I was acting very
>> > irresponsibly.  To me, it's just how I work with my dogs.  As for
the
>> > ID issue, they are worth as much as the paper they're printed on.
I
>> > can go into Kinkos and make up and ID which is as professional
looking
>> > as that issued by any program.  It would probably make my life
easier
>> > if I did, at least in some respects.  When handlers go around
flashing
>> > their ID to make it easier for them, it gives the business owner
the
>> > idea that they have the right to ask for one from the next handler
and
>> > that they should expect the handler to provide said documentation
upon
>> > request.  I've had to disabuse many business owners of this notion.
>> > When people flash that ID, they may be making it easier for
>> > themselves, but they make it harder for the next person coming
after
>> > you.  They are also sending a message that asking and expecting the
>> > next handler to provide this documentation is perfectly legal and
>> > acceptable.
>> >
>> > Also, an abusive person can have ID and fill out vet reports to
their
>> > hearts content.  That proves nothing except that they're good at
>> > filling out forms.  If I'm beating up my dog, I'm hardly going to
>> > admit that on the vet form.
>> > Rox and the Herbal HenchHounds
>> > Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
>> > "It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to
point
>> > out that the emperor has no clothes. But the half-wit remains a
>> > half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor."-- Neil Gaiman
>> > http://www.pawpowercreations.com/retreat.html
>> > pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> > AIM: Brissysgirl
>> >
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