[nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: being reported to your school

Tue Aug 3 16:32:55 UTC 2010

Oh sorry this guy has been a close friend of mine for 8 years.  I like 
everything about him except how he treats his dog sometimes.

Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
> No, with what you've written,I can't tel if you don't like the guy so
> are primmed to see abuse everywhere, if you are all gooey about your
> puppy so are also primmed to see abuse, if you have some skewed notion
> of "docile little blind person, I want to own one" or if the guy is
> truly being abusive. 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Jordan Frances Ortiz
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:58 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: being reported to your school
>
> isn't that what abuse is... if we liked abuse it wouldn't be abuse would
> it?
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> Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
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>> Totally agree. 
>> My problem with Jordan's logic is that she is equating abuse to stuff
>> she doesn't like. When I read the post about the guy puking on his dog
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> I
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>> thought "Did this guy not call her "the morning after" and she's now
>> looking for revenge"? 
>> Then my thought is "How dare the blind guy go out and drink, oh look,
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> he
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>> took his dog with him when he did it, I'll say he's abusing it". 
>> That whole attitude strikes me as paternalistic. 
>> Most people will do dumb things with their dogs not because we have
>> dogs, but because we're human. WE'll do the same with our spouses, our
>> friends, our kids, our stuff, you name it. 
>> Jordan, a good litness test is "If this guy was sighted and took his
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> pet
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>> dog to an outdoor dog-friendly bar or to just a dog-friendly bar, and
>> puked on his dog, would you care?" 
>> You are using "That poor puppy" as an excuse to hit the abuse button
>>     
> for
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>> behavior you don't like. 
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of The Pawpower Pack
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:36 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: [nagdu] being reported to your school
>>
>> I would agree that throwing up on one's dog is hardly ideal.  However,
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>> sometimes stuff happens.  I take my dog to bars when I go.  My dog is
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>> there if I drink alcohol.  Granted, I'm at the point in my life, where
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>> time and experience has taught me that drinking until one throws up is
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>> hardly a good idea, for a number of reasons.  However I don't think  
>> taking my dog to the bar and drinking is a crime.  If someone saw my  
>> dog at a bar and saw me drinking and having a good time with friends  
>> and they accused me of abuse, I'd be pretty upset.
>> People are different, they have different lifestyles.  Some dogs don't
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>> like bars and the noise does bother them.  If someone had a dog like  
>> that, I would hope they'd use their judgement and not take the dog.   
>> However if the dog is like mine and doesn't really care, then who's  
>> business is it of anyone's to say I should, or should not have my dog
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>> at a bar?
>> Also if someone threw up on their dog because they were ill, is that  
>> still abuse, or is it the drinking plus the vomiting that is the
>>     
> issue?
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>> I drink, I go to bars.  I live in New Orleans and my dog goes on  
>> Bourbon street with me and I have a hard time thinking this is
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> abusive.
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>> My dog gets fed, loved, medical care.  She works has toys, other dog  
>> friends and I spend lots of time with her.  Does the fact that someone
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>> drinks alcohol with their dog at a bar then negate all of the other  
>> things?
>> I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm honestly curious.
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>>
>> Rox and the Herbal HenchHounds
>> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
>> "It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point
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>> out that the emperor has no clothes. But the half-wit remains a half- 
>> wit, and the emperor remains an emperor."-- Neil Gaiman
>> http://www.pawpowercreations.com/retreat.html
>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> AIM: Brissysgirl
>>
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